Fake Pandas

[Danny-boy]

Thanks Danny. Hopefully I've not advertised them for me to be outbid lol

Always a risk!!!

[Shamatti]

They look OK to me. The guy has lots of good feedback for other coins which he has sold, including lots of other 2011 pandas, with no complaints. It's no guarantee, but I think I would be happy bidding for them. I won't

[Stretch]

Thanks for your help Danny and Shamatti, auctions nearly up and somebody's outbid me. I'll leave it at that as I'm a bit broke at the moment anyway, cheers.

[ArthGoch]

Although not a one case fits all in respect of flagging potential 2011 fakes, the attached 'guess the faults' competition is a good eye opener to what to look for.

 

Using this as a ready reckoner has saved me some heartache over the last couple of years and does train your eye to look for the devil in the detail 

 

http://forums.silverstackers.com/topic-12452-silverstackers-fake-panda-competition-page-1.html

[MAXlMUS]

If you need any pictures of fake Pandas I have loads of them various years as I was sold them last year by some dodgy chinese ebay sellar,,,,see the link below:

 

http://thesilverforum.com/topic/523-ive-been-donefake-pandas/?hl=fake

 

Cheers

 

Max

[garthy]

More fake pandas??

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Silver-Panda-1-oz-coins-Ag-999-set-of-6-coins-/261834662406?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3cf68fe206

[sovereignsteve]

Yes, a description disclaimer such as that usually means the seller knows they are fake.

With my limited knowledge of pandas and only a quick glance: the temple don't look right but the pandas look OK, the capsules don't seem original and the plastic cases are not ones I've seen before. 

needs dave to look at them but if he doesn't reply to this post, it means they're genuine and he's going to bid on them!    

[garthy]

Ha ha yeah SS, I've trying to pick up a few different pandas recently and theses looked like a nice start but I definitely think they're fake, being that they're not in original capsules and they're in plastic sleeves is a give away, steer clear I reckon.

[HawkHybrid]

'I will state that I cannot validate if these are pure silver or plated as I do not know how to identify..'

 

almost defo fakes, anyway I wouldn't want to deal with

someone who don't know what they are doing (it may

be toxic or worse). being able to test for silver is the

most fundamental skill in buying silver. he makes it

sound like rocket science with heavy machinery.

 

HH

[Pipers]

So he sells his fake pandas to someone else who sells them as real pandas.He knows they are fake but he's a clever dick and thinks that stating he cannot validate circumvents all rules. Its a f-ckin joke eBay. Can you imagine selling a fake branded handbag eBay may even care. But because its silver its deemed OK.

As HT says and does if you buy from eBay and the coin appears fake claim straight away remember you are not allowed to send fake coins through the post it is illegal.

[MAXlMUS]

Definitely fake, exactly packaged as the ones I bought, capsules in sleeves.

 

Normally pandas come on sheets straight from the mint not capsules.

 

 

Max

[silverin]

The 2006 silver panda was the last double sealed (plastic pouch) year.    If i recall correctly a small number were made at the Shenzhen Mint this year.  However, the majority are not double sealed.

[sovereignsteve]

The 2006 silver panda was the last double sealed (plastic pouch) year.    If i recall correctly a small number were made at the Shenzhen Mint this year.  However, the majority are not double sealed.

So did the pre-2007 pandas all look like the ones in this listing? I've not seen any mint-fresh pandas before the last couple of years.

[silverin]

So did the pre-2007 pandas all look like the ones in this listing? I've not seen any mint-fresh pandas before the last couple of years.

 

No there are a few different patterns.  The most common is pic 2.  Pic 1 is a fake!

 

 

 

Each mint had its own seal pattern and this indicates where the Panda was struck.

[sovereignsteve]

Thanks. This is getting far too complicated for me. I don't think I'd better try buying any older pandas, I'm bound to get ripped off.

[silverin]

Thanks. This is getting far too complicated for me. I don't think I'd better try buying any older pandas, I'm bound to get ripped off.

 

A good trustworthy source is important.  I guess for me the more you see the more you pick up and learn what to watch out for.  Lots of good tips in this thread about capsule style, coins features and different seals.  You could always buy graded. 

There is a huge market for graded panda coins

[FriedrichVonHayek]

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/wholesale-Free-shipping-2000ys-boutique-high-quality-silver-original-panda-souvenir-coin-1oz-for-collection/1773893650.html

 

If in doubt always look on Aliexpress.

[sovereignsteve]

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/wholesale-Free-shipping-2000ys-boutique-high-quality-silver-original-panda-souvenir-coin-1oz-for-collection/1773893650.html

 

If in doubt always look on Aliexpress.

 I think I could make better ones than that

[FriedrichVonHayek]

A good trustworthy source is important.  I guess for me the more you see the more you pick up and learn what to watch out for.  Lots of good tips in this thread about capsule style, coins features and different seals.  You could always buy graded. 

There is a huge market for graded panda coins

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2012-Panda-coin-1-oz-999-sterling-silver-coin-NGC-MS70/32240019059.html

 

Aliexpress has 2012 1oz Silver Panda's graded MS70 by NGC they have only 999 left.

[crocky]

Hi, I'm new to this forum, fairly new to stacking , my question is ...isn't it possible to have these fakes removed before the end of sale. I used to be a fake spotter on ebay for the Clarice Cliff society, There were lots of fakes, there were plenty of ''bandware'' plates, bandware is a plate that his a painted ring or band on theoutside of the plate, with no design on the plate, these were low cost dinner services but still had the CC mark to the rear of the plate, these were shipped abroad and a transfer printed onto them, usually a scene of children playing, which were easy to spot. These were then reported to the CC society who had Ebay remove the items.

 

I recently bought a fake dollar, knowing it was fake, on the one hand the guy attested to its fineness but 'covered' himself by stating he didn't know if it was a replica. I bought it to have a look at for my 'knowledge of fakes' I received a refund but I can't understand how people are allowed to sell them. Ebay never got involved and took no action against the seller. Surely if this action was taken there would be little market in fakes! I'd be interested to know if there is some kind of authority like the CC society for silver/PM that could do the same!

[FriedrichVonHayek]

eBay are not interested in the slightest.

Many people have reported these scammers,nothing ever happens.

[HelpingHands]

http://pages.ebay.co.uk/safetycentre/lawEnforcementReporting.html

Let's start reporting to http://www.actionfraud.police.uk

[DavePanda]

Bit late in the day as only 5 mins left, however if anyone on here is purchasing these, please dont pay.. they are fake.

 

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Cheers

 

Dave

[MAXlMUS]

Bit late in the day as only 5 mins left, however if anyone on here is purchasing these, please dont pay.. they are fake.

 

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Cheers

 

Dave

Some one is going to be very disappointed when the postman turns up 

[Danny-boy]

Bit late in the day as only 5 mins left, however if anyone on here is purchasing these, please dont pay.. they are fake.

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Cheers

Dave

I'm certainly no panda expert, but I saw those earlier and knew they were fake straight away.

People really need to do their homework.

I wonder if the buyer will ever know they are fake, or just put them with a collection somewhere.