2025 Sovereign

[JamesH]

Just now, refero said:

But which one would the 2025 proof sov? The “red” one or the shield 

The one detailed as the red one, is the George and Dragon. The Shield is on the other proofs

[cjbcomm]

1 hour ago, westminstrel said:

The range is rather vast and confusing.

I think I have made sense of it…

There’s going to be two editions of the silver St. George and Dragon design:

- with a privy mark in Proof 

- without privy mark in Proof

 

The gold St. George and Dragon design is:

- only in the Sovereign size and in Proof

- plus the full range up to £5 in Bullion

 

The gold Shield design is:

- the full range up to the £5 only in Proof

- £5 BU matte proof

- Piedfort proof

- No bullion

Very confusing.

I'm guessing from the prices someone listed that the 3 coin set is UNC and not proof? The price would indicate that

[Olivard]

5 minutes ago, JamesH said:

I’ll pick this one up in bullion. The shield however…that will have to be proof!

But will the bullion G&D be in yellow gold? Another marketing opportunity for RM. 🤑 💰 💸

[refero]

I Guess 

Bullion st george and shield proof is the Way to go 

[Paul]

Excitement builds - i bet the five "big boy" will be nice to own and has a very good chance to be an "in demand" appreciating coin in future, given the tiniest mintage for the "unique" design sovereign as @Clockpuncher points 

£6325 / 8.75 sovereigns inside,

so £722.85 per sov/part sov

• Five works out to be £3614
• Double £1445
• Full £722
• Half £361
• Quarter £180 

 

 

Gold Content of the Set

• Five Sovereign: 36.61 grams
• Double Sovereign: 15.98 grams
• Full Sovereign: 7.98 grams
• Half Sovereign: 3.99 grams
• Quarter Sovereign: 1.99 grams

Total gold content = 36.61 + 15.98 + 7.98 + 3.99 + 1.99 = 66.55 grams

Melt Value 
The price of gold per gram at £2022 per troy ounce (31.1035 grams) is:

Gold price per gram £2022 / 31.1035 = £65.00

Melt value = 66.55 grams × £65.00 = £4,325.75

Premium Over Spot/Melt
The premium you're paying is:

Premium = £6325 RRP − £4325.75 Melt =  £1,999.25

Percentage Over Melt (1999.25 /  4325.75 ) × 100 = 46.2 %

So, you're paying +£1,999.25 premium over the spot price, which is +46.2% over the melt value.

 

Hmmmm . . . . . . I'm on the fence given ATH gold prices, but i could use my Royal Mint interest free tick account to soften the blow and spread it over a 4-6 months i suppose ??

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Paul

[Olivard]

9 minutes ago, Paul said:

Excitement builds - i bet the five "big boy" will be nice to own and has a very good chance to be an "in demand" appreciating coin in future, given the tiniest mintage for the "unique" design sovereign as @Clockpuncher points 

£6325 / 8.75 sovereigns inside,

so £722.85 per sov/part sov

• Five works out to be £3614
• Double £1445
• Full £722
• Half £361
• Quarter £180 

 

 

Gold Content of the Set

• Five Sovereign: 36.61 grams
• Double Sovereign: 15.98 grams
• Full Sovereign: 7.98 grams
• Half Sovereign: 3.99 grams
• Quarter Sovereign: 1.99 grams

Total gold content = 36.61 + 15.98 + 7.98 + 3.99 + 1.99 = 66.55 grams

Melt Value 
The price of gold per gram at £2022 per troy ounce (31.1035 grams) is:

Gold price per gram £2022 / 31.1035 = £65.00

Melt value = 66.55 grams × £65.00 = £4,325.75

Premium Over Spot/Melt
The premium you're paying is:

Premium = £6325 RRP − £4325.75 Melt =  £1,999.25

Percentage Over Melt (1999.25 /  4325.75 ) × 100 = 46.2 %

So, you're paying +£1,999.25 premium over the spot price, which is +46.2% over the melt value.

 

Hmmmm . . . . . . I'm on the fence given ATH gold prices, but i could use my Royal Mint interest free tick account to soften the blow and spread it over a 4-6 months i suppose ??

 

I'm surprised they've not done a 2 coin set with both sovereigns.

[refero]

Talking about sets.. cant wait to see the 1825/2025 shield sov set on RM website priced at 4k,

where the 1825 is completely worn/ex mounted and the 2025 is full of scratches

[paulmerton]

They are never going to shift 50,000 silver coins at 10 quid a gram surely. That's hilariously overpriced.

[Paul]

It does seem like new release overload here, so many variations 

Shall we just let it pass and vote with our wallets ???

[James32]

1 minute ago, Paul said:

It does seem like new release overload here, so many variations 

Shall we just let it pass and vote with our wallets ???

No, ordinarily yes, but no. The shield is a must for any special year collector. 

[refero]

5 minutes ago, James32 said:

No, ordinarily yes, but no. The shield is a must for any special year collector

I ll get mine, whatever is gonna *+%£#+#£ cost!😂

[JamesH]

33 minutes ago, Olivard said:

But will the bullion G&D be in yellow gold? Another marketing opportunity for RM. 🤑 💰 💸

Wouldn’t that be great!

[goldhunter]

19 minutes ago, Paul said:

It does seem like new release overload here, so many variations 

Shall we just let it pass and vote with our wallets ???

Don Logan would say "no no no no no no no no no no no no no"

[Paul]

Can we assume this is launching on Monday??? although i know everyone is not allowed to say 

[refero]

How the "last rose" Saint George and Dragon 2025 would be different compared to the 2024 one?

Edited 31 minutes ago by refero

[Olivard]

2 minutes ago, Paul said:

Can we assume this is launching on Monday??? although i know everyone is not allowed to say 

They are asking people to register so I would have thought a fortnight but it is RM.

[James32]

Just now, refero said:

How the "last red" Saint George and Dragon 2025 would be different compared to the 2024 one?

False eye lashes and high heels 

[Olivard]

Just now, refero said:

How the "last red" Saint George and Dragon 2025 would be different compared to the 2024 one?

The date... 🤣

[refero]

at the end of the day... is "more or less" like in 2015.. when they issued the standard fourth design (both bullion and proof) and the fifth design sovereign (just proof)

[autoforest]

2 hours ago, westminstrel said:

The range is rather vast and confusing.

I think I have made sense of it…

There’s going to be two editions of the silver St. George and Dragon design:

- with a privy mark in Proof 

- without privy mark in Proof

 

The gold St. George and Dragon design is:

- only in the Sovereign size and in Proof

- plus the full range up to £5 in Bullion

 

The gold Shield design is:

- the full range up to the £5 only in Proof

- £5 BU matte proof

- Piedfort proof

- No bullion

I'm a newbie, so apologies in advance for the stupid questions.

Is the shield sovereign proof only or also in bullion? Which month does the mint usually release the new bullion sovereign?

[refero]

4 minutes ago, autoforest said:

Is the shield sovereign proof only or also in bullion? Which month does the mint usually release the new bullion sovereign?

only proof

usually january

[SiCole]

1 hour ago, Paul said:

Excitement builds - i bet the five "big boy" will be nice to own and has a very good chance to be an "in demand" appreciating coin in future, given the tiniest mintage for the "unique" design sovereign as @Clockpuncher points 

£6325 / 8.75 sovereigns inside,

so £722.85 per sov/part sov

• Five works out to be £3614
• Double £1445
• Full £722
• Half £361
• Quarter £180 

 

 

Gold Content of the Set

• Five Sovereign: 36.61 grams
• Double Sovereign: 15.98 grams
• Full Sovereign: 7.98 grams
• Half Sovereign: 3.99 grams
• Quarter Sovereign: 1.99 grams

Total gold content = 36.61 + 15.98 + 7.98 + 3.99 + 1.99 = 66.55 grams

Melt Value 
The price of gold per gram at £2022 per troy ounce (31.1035 grams) is:

Gold price per gram £2022 / 31.1035 = £65.00

Melt value = 66.55 grams × £65.00 = £4,325.75

Premium Over Spot/Melt
The premium you're paying is:

Premium = £6325 RRP − £4325.75 Melt =  £1,999.25

Percentage Over Melt (1999.25 /  4325.75 ) × 100 = 46.2 %

So, you're paying +£1,999.25 premium over the spot price, which is +46.2% over the melt value.

 

Hmmmm . . . . . . I'm on the fence given ATH gold prices, but i could use my Royal Mint interest free tick account to soften the blow and spread it over a 4-6 months i suppose ??

 

I just can't justify just shy of £3750 for a graded 5 sov and will take my chances on auctions down the line.

 

[Kvasir]

1 hour ago, Olivard said:

They are asking people to register so I would have thought a fortnight but it is RM.

The press release says November.