Are modern Indian mint Sovereigns, Real Sovereigns?

[ZRPMs]

As the title suggests I have a dilemma. 

I've been collecting sovereigns for quite a while now and have over the last couple of years I been trying to collect a sovereign for each year and each mint. However, when making up my wanted list's I never added the modern Indian minted sovereigns Just because I remember a heated debate with a friend regarding their status as a Genuine Sovereign. I was on the fence whilst he was firmly of the stance that they were only made under licence by a third party mint (Pamp). It was his belief that as they were minted by a third party mint they could not be genuine sovereigns from the royal mint. Due to his strong opinion I decided also to treat them similar to a Tristan da cunha Mint sovereigns and not add them. 

  I am however open to others thoughts. Should I add them to the collection or continue to disregard them?

[James32]

Are they CGT free? If so they're a go. If not better get shot.

[Roy]

They come in Royal Mint packaging 😊

[ZRPMs]

5 minutes ago, James32 said:

Are they CGT free? If so they're a go. If not better get shot.

Not sure. I'll have to check but that's a good point. 

Edited July 23 by ZRPMs

[James32]

Just now, ZRPMs said:

Not sure. I'll have to check buts that's a good point. 

I think they are tbh

[modofantasma]

Be handy to know this ready for when the financial system collapses imminently.

We don't want to be awkwardly stood in Aldi holding up the queue whilst we're trying to convince the checkout staff that we can get an extra pack of Turkey Dinosaurs with the 'I' mintmark 2019 sov over the standard one 

[ZRPMs]

I've checked the Royal Mint site. Only the search bar though, and when I typed Indian Mint Sovereign in it only comes up with the 1918 one year only sovereign. Also a few other sites only come up with the 1918 sovereign.

[James32]

4 minutes ago, ZRPMs said:

Not sure. I'll have to check but that's a good point. 

Weighs 7.98g and is 916.7 (22ct) gold.

Manufactured in India for The Royal Mint.

Struck to a bullion finish.

VAT free and Capital Gains Tax exempt.

Diameter: 22.05mm. Thickness: 1.52mm.

Supplied within a presentation card.

looks like a sovereign, smells like a sovereign, it's a fooking sovereign 😆 

[ZRPMs]

1 minute ago, James32 said:

Weighs 7.98g and is 916.7 (22ct) gold.

Manufactured in India for The Royal Mint.

Struck to a bullion finish.

VAT free and Capital Gains Tax exempt.

Diameter: 22.05mm. Thickness: 1.52mm.

Supplied within a presentation card.

looks like a sovereign, smells like a sovereign, it's a fooking sovereign 😆 

Ohhh Bugger,  That's increased the wanted list. Back to the drawing board. There was only 28 on the cheap list. Now to find how many there are and the years.

[ZRPMs]

I've just checked the Sovereign bible. They are in there.

Year, Mintage, Rarity 

2013,  94,790, C

2014,  60,471, N

2015, 64,500, N

2016, 45,000, S

2017,       ?     , S

2018,      ?     , S

2019,      ?     , S

2020,      ?    , S

Minted in Delhi under Royal Mint licence. Yet they don't get their own section like all the other mints.

[JamesH]

The term ‘sovereign’ is not exclusive to the Royal Mint, thus I believe this to be a legitimate sovereign. If you’re asking is this a legit RM sovereign? Well that’s open to interpretation. I’d still argue that it is but can see it from both sides 

[Shinus73]

Weren’t they made on licence by PAMP for the Royal Mint? If so, they’re RM Sovereigns.

[ZRPMs]

20 minutes ago, JamesH said:

The term ‘sovereign’ is not exclusive to the Royal Mint, thus I believe this to be a legitimate sovereign. If you’re asking is this a legit RM sovereign? Well that’s open to interpretation. I’d still argue that it is but can see it from both sides 

Yes. It might have been more accurate for me to say legitimate Royal Mint Sovereign. 

Unfortunately for me I'm now leaning towards them being Legitimate Sovereigns. They may be manufactured under licence but they do come in Royal mint packaging as @Roy says. We accept the other mints as legitimate sovereigns.  

9 minutes ago, Shinus73 said:

Weren’t they made on licence by PAMP for the Royal Mint? If so, they’re RM Sovereigns.

Yes.

Edited July 23 by ZRPMs

[paulmerton]

[paulmerton]

Incidentally, that 2019 one was only £440 at the end of last year if you took advantage of that black friday glitch (20% off). In hindsight, probably would have been a good buy!

[paulmerton]

23 minutes ago, ZRPMs said:

Yes. It might have been more accurate for me to say legitimate Royal Mint Sovereign. 

Unfortunately for me I'm now leaning towards them being Legitimate Sovereigns. They may be manufactured under licence but they do come in Royal mint packaging as @Roy says. We accept the other mints as legitimate sovereigns.  

Yes.

Only 2 of the 2014s left at Atkinsons now 😛 

[Stuntman]

Definitely a legitimate sovereign as far as I'm concerned.  But thank goodness I'm not a completist when it comes to sovereigns...

[ZRPMs]

Was the last one minted in 2020?

[James32]

22 minutes ago, ZRPMs said:

Was the last one minted in 2020?

I've seen 2019s but not a 2020..not entirely sure tbh.

[James32]

@ZRPMs it does exist. And what a bargain from this shower of shatty twats

https://www.thelondoncoincompany.com/store/India-Sovereign-Coins-c41089279

Edited July 23 by James32

[ZRPMs]

2 minutes ago, James32 said:

@ZRPMs it does exist. And what a bargain from this shower of shatty that's

https://www.thelondoncoincompany.com/store/India-Sovereign-Coins-c41089279

Do I get the graded at top pop or the raw one still encased in plastic. Jeepers, Are they the American branch of The Royal Mints Historical series.

[ZRPMs]

After taking the dog for a walk I think I'll add the modern Delhi ones but they're going to be at the back of the list to the other few that are on the wanted list's 

If any ones interested I could post the wanted lists?

[James32]

Just now, ZRPMs said:

After taking the dog for a walk I think I'll add the modern Delhi ones but they're going to be at the back of the list to the other few that are on the wanted list's 

If any ones interested I could post the wanted lists?

Sorry you're breaking up..going through a tunnel here.

[ZRPMs]

1 minute ago, James32 said:

Sorry you're breaking up..going through a tunnel here.

Never mind, I SAID, I'M SICK OF COLLECTING THESE SOVEREIGNS NOW, ANYONE WANT THEM, But its ok @Hoarder contacted me first and took them.

[Roy]

Wtf are London coins playing at?

We bought a lot of these in 2018 and got them graded. There should be a few 'available' if you ask 😊