Nazi Silver

[caloundracats]

ahhhhhhhh, Yup, not St John's Wort but Social Justice Warriors, makes sense, thanks both.

[JunkBond]

8 minutes ago, PansPurse said:

Saint John's Wort, a herb occasionally used as an alternative to antidepressants.

Oh you are a little tinker Pan.

Am I allowed to say tinker these days, sorry if I offended any travellers.

[mondy41]

1 minute ago, JunkBond said:

Oh you are a little tinker Pan.

Am I allowed to say tinker these days, sorry if I offended any travellers.

Probably best not to say it to their face - would probably be a misunderstanding - they can be a bit odd like that

[SILVERFINGER]

21 minutes ago, mondy41 said:

I think its Social Justice Warrior

Correct mondy, here is a perfect description of one in the urban dictionary.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Social Justice Warrior

 

[FriedrichVonHayek]

27 minutes ago, mondy41 said:

I think its Social Justice Warrior

Yes it is someone who comes out with banal statements to make themselves sound virtuous and they look for discrimination that doesn't really exist.

[PansPurse]

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[caloundracats]

Excellent definition. Particularly loved the final line☺️

[SILVERFINGER]

We in this country are lucky (at the moment), we have a choice, if we see something we dont like on TV, the internet or elsewhere we are able to switch it off or watch something else, no one makes us watch things that upset us, and if something upsets you then dont look at it, things sometimes upset me, quite often its things that others might think is nothing important, and they are probably right but to me its real and upsetting, but that does not give me the right to dismiss what others are saying just because I might not agree with them, there's many a time I have been 100% correct on something only to be proved wrong years down the line when shown evidence to the contrary, I am open to all peoples views.

If this topic upsets you in anyway, then just dont bother to read it, you have that choice in life, there is tons of other stuff on here to read instead, dont make things awkward for the poor soul who innocently asked a question and who was made to feel 'its ok to collect these items from history' from the majority of posters to this topic, and the few that have probably made him wish he never bothered to ask now.

Also with forums like this it isnt that easy to show emotions with what you are writing, and the same sentence can be taken in all manners of ways, jokingly, sarcasticly, nastily informatively, but it is hard to express that sometimes or people fail to read things properly or get the wrong end of the stick.

[PansPurse]

So... it's important for all things to be discussed... unless you disagree, in which case go away and do something else?

[sovereignsteve]

12 hours ago, swAgger said:

I would ask that you not misunderstand my meaning. Or if you did understand my meaning, not to twist it

Seemed pretty clear to me, this is what you said:

"I'm a bit surprised the thread has gone this far. Discussion and debate are all well and good, but there are some things i strongly feel people do not have any rights whatsoever to debate or question, no matter how educated, entitled, or enlightened we think we are."

and I haven't taken it out of context either.

"You have taken my quote and ran with it as a general disapproval of any discussion of the period. In fact i was referring to some things within such discussions that nobody has a right to put up for debate or question."

Yes, this thread has gone off at a tangent or at least has deviated slightly along a line that the OP was worried about. But that's what we do on here, we frequently go off the original topic. It can be a bit chaotic but it's fun. It's adult discussion. The fact that the OP felt the need to be apprehensive about how people feel about Nazi memorabilia etc, is a sad indictment.

However, as, soon as people start using words such as yours; saying others do not have a right to openly discuss certain topics, is the road to fascism. You talk as though these "topics" or "facts" as you see them cannot be questioned . This again is a dangerous area. Who decides what "facts" are incontrovertible and cannot be questioned? If philosophers and scientists had adhered to this stifling of thought throughout history, we'd still be living in the dark ages of religious thought control, ignorance, intolerance, lynch mobs and witch-hunts.

We should all have the right to discuss what we like. If closed-minded people don't like it, they can stop looking or listening, that is their prerogative. If anyone spouts rubbish, good argument and peer group opposition will show their views and arguments to be empty. However, they should have the right to submit them and attempt to justify them.

 

 

[sixgun]

1 hour ago, FriedrichVonHayek said:

Yes it is someone who comes out with banal statements to make themselves sound virtuous and they look for discrimination that doesn't really exist.

The term is virtue signalling.

Their virtues are virtual. It is all part of the collective insanity of the Matrix. Some people just aren't ready to be Red Pilled. If they were to ask too many questions they might find the truth and a world they are not ready for. That's cognitive dissonance.

[sovereignsteve]

3 minutes ago, PansPurse said:

So... it's important for all things to be discussed... unless you disagree, in which case go away and do something else?

The trick is to be open minded. If you disagree with something, it's important to realise that the offending viewpoint exists for a reason. It may well be correct and it is your view that is wrong. It's important not to think all your views are incontrovertible. we all make mistakes and are sometimes wrong, even though at the time, we were certain we were right.

 

ps some people will read this as patronising. it wasn't meant to be, although if it needs to be explained to anyone, it probably should be

[ilovesilverireallydo]

8 hours ago, FriedrichVonHayek said:

I personally find it strange that  Nazi symbols such as the Swastika are reviled but the Hammer and Sickle or the Red Star are somehow acceptable or less bad than a Swastika.

 

Think about all the Hindus that now have to be careful using this symbol, which for centuries was a revered one till the Reich reversed it and used it as theirs. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29644591

[Roy]

Isn't it shared by Buddhism too?

 

[ilovesilverireallydo]

3 minutes ago, Roy said:

Isn't it shared by Buddhism too?

 

Yep, but then Buddhism symbols have their roots in Hinduism and a lot of shared cultural and religious iconography 

[sixgun]

1 minute ago, Roy said:

Isn't it shared by Buddism too?

The symbol is a widely revered symbol in many part of the world including Europe in pre-Christian times. This is why it was adopted by Nationalism Socialism. The symbol connected with the deep psyche of the people. It is still the case in the Far East.  German WWII uniform is seen as totally cool.

The rabbit hole goes very deep - if be enter be prepared to have everything turned upside down.

[SILVERFINGER]

46 minutes ago, ilovesilverireallydo said:

Think about all the Hindus that now have to be careful using this symbol, which for centuries was a revered one till the Reich reversed it and used it as theirs. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29644591

The Finns used it also on their tanks and aircraft during WW2, it annoys me that this symbol has to be banned and turned into something evil because an evil organisation used it in the past,  but were by no means the first to use it by a long long time.

I remember building model kits that were historically correct when I was a teenager,  and then one day airfix etc stopped putting swastika transfers in the aircraft kits, I asked why and they said it was because of Germany banning it on them and us being part of the EU, we see things like this in all walks of life, whether it be censorship or some scumbag criminal uses something illegally owned in an illegal way and everyone who owns one legally then has to suffer when its then banned.

[SILVERFINGER]

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I'm not going to post here again because this has turned into a straw man argument and I have better things to do with my time

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Actually no, I'm sick of this conversation.

1 hour ago, PansPurse said:

So... it's important for all things to be discussed... unless you disagree, in which case go away and do something else?

You said you were not going to post here again, that you are sick of this conversation, this topic is obviously having a negative effect on you, there is having a debate and there is acting aggressively to things you dont agree with, I dont agree with everything written on here but respect other members views,  if it was upsetting me, then yes I would would go and do something else.

This is in no way taken to me being mean to you, I can see how this topic is upsetting you and care for your welfare ?

 

[blackadder]

[sixgun]

On 07/06/2018 at 01:53, Jimmock said:

http://www.famous-trials.com/nuremberg/1932-hoesstestimony

Hoess who had evaded capture had his whereabouts revealed by his wife to protect her son, Klaus, who was being “badly beaten” by British soldiers. 

His confessions were  extorted by torture, but it took until 1983 to learn the identity of the torturers and the nature of the tortures they inflicted upon him.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p389_Faurisson.html

The man was kicked in the balls - damaged beyond repair - he was deprived day and night of sleep - he was forced to drink alcohol - he was horse whipped.

The testimony was on unheaded paper, covered in 'corrections'.

This sounds like a reliable testimony to me. Just saying....

 

[SILVERFINGER]

9 minutes ago, sixgun said:

Hoess who had evaded capture had his whereabouts revealed by his wife to protect her son, Klaus, who was being “badly beaten” by British soldiers. 

His confessions were  extorted by torture, but it took until 1983 to learn the identity of the torturers and the nature of the tortures they inflicted upon him.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p389_Faurisson.html

The man was kicked in the balls - damaged beyond repair - he was deprived day and night of sleep - he was forced to drink alcohol - he was horse whipped.

The testimony was on unheaded paper, covered in 'corrections'.

This sounds like a reliable testimony to me. Just saying....

 

 

I look forward to studying that later, always up for learning something about WW2 that I dont know.

[daz]

34 minutes ago, sixgun said:

Hoess who had evaded capture had his whereabouts revealed by his wife to protect her son, Klaus, who was being “badly beaten” by British soldiers. 

His confessions were  extorted by torture, but it took until 1983 to learn the identity of the torturers and the nature of the tortures they inflicted upon him.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p389_Faurisson.html

The man was kicked in the balls - damaged beyond repair - he was deprived day and night of sleep - he was forced to drink alcohol - he was horse whipped.

The testimony was on unheaded paper, covered in 'corrections'.

This sounds like a reliable testimony to me. Just saying....

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_Historical_Review

http://auschwitz.org/en/history/holocaust-denial/the-institute-for-historical-review

Institute of historical review also sounds a very reliable source , just saying ....

[Jimmock]

http://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/hoess-memoirs/   Take it it's my turn to put up a link. ? Can't we just agree to disagree.

[sixgun]

Just now, daz said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_Historical_Review

Institute of historical review also sounds a very reliable source , just saying ....

Yes when you are dealing with this sort of topic you must be prepared to dig and dig. You must be prepared to find the source documents.

You can expect wikipedia to be unbiased.

 

[sixgun]

3 hours ago, Jimmock said:

http://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/hoess-memoirs/   Take it it's my turn to put up a link. ? Can't we just agree to disagree.

We can agree to disagree. i am fine with that. i spent 3 -4 years solid researching the holocaust. i did not set out to do this but what i discovered changed my life and the way i look at the world. It has been a journey. The holocaust is back in the distance.

i know what i know - i know this by finding the impossibilities and working it out from first principles. i could post 100's of posts. If people post i can reply - i have a wealth of knowledge. i realise this will upset some people, my first question sent the tension on the thread up and i had said nothing. i have been unusually reserved. i have worked through a stupid amount of data, measuring scale photographs, examining at high resolution, reading original science papers, looking at rare video footage.......

We can agree to disagree - some people aren't ready for the transition for whatever reason. That's fine. We all have the right to our own views.

Peace.