Sovereign Errors, Overdates and Varieties

[GodsMoney]

any advice on easy way to identify long intermediate and short tails? Also large stop at the end of B.P. vs whatever the norm is? Is this an intermediate tail with large last stop B.P. or long tail normal stops ?

Edited July 20 by GodsMoney

[Allgoldcoins]

This looks to be a medium length tail, terminates with 3 strands, the long tail terminates with a single strand, and the short tail is significantly shorter :

 

[GodsMoney]

7 minutes ago, Allgoldcoins said:

This looks to be a medium length tail, terminates with 3 strands, the long tail terminates with a single strand, and the short tail is significantly shorter :

 

Thanks mate that's very helpful to know 

[GodsMoney]

@Allgoldcoins how on earth can you tell 3 strands end from a single strand end I do not know haha possibly my old eyes but I've been looking for ages

[Allgoldcoins]

11 minutes ago, GodsMoney said:

@Allgoldcoins how on earth can you tell 3 strands end from a single strand end I do not know haha possibly my old eyes but I've been looking for ages

I have spent years studying these tails, this photo may help , medium / long / short :

(More research is ongoing as to the reasons these may exist)

 

[Xander]

5 hours ago, GodsMoney said:

any advice on easy way to identify long intermediate and short tails? Also large stop at the end of B.P. vs whatever the norm is? Is this an intermediate tail with large last stop B.P. or long tail normal stops ?

Have a look at these examples.

[GodsMoney]

11 minutes ago, Allgoldcoins said:

I have spent years studying these tails, this photo may help , medium / long / short :

(More research is ongoing as to the reasons these may exist)

 

 

8 minutes ago, Xander said:

Have a look at these examples.

Chaps you are both legends this evening these are the money shots I've needed. Thankyou very good references 

[GoldDiggerDave]

Just now, GodsMoney said:

 

Chaps you are both legends this evening these are the money shots I've needed. Thankyou very good references 

Wait until you discover the number of types of reverse George and Dragon dies they are 🤯.............

 

 

[GodsMoney]

Anyone on here particularly good or even just interested in identifying whether a sovereign is a rarity or common/normal for me please? See below, i have an 87 jubilee difficult to see if its an S or Die 5 on the front, then what im most interested in is the obverse J.E.B. The final stop is bigger and the J is set about a millimetre higher than the E.B. to my eyes anyway. Also i thought i had a 55 shield sovereign but under the magnifyer im not so sure about the last 5 being a 3 or 5 - maybe one over the other?

First two images are the 87 the last one obviously the 55/3

 

Edited July 23 by GodsMoney

[Allgoldcoins]

2 hours ago, GodsMoney said:

Anyone on here particularly good or even just interested in identifying whether a sovereign is a rarity or common/normal for me please? See below, i have an 87 jubilee difficult to see if its an S or Die 5 on the front, then what im most interested in is the obverse J.E.B. The final stop is bigger and the J is set about a millimetre higher than the E.B. to my eyes anyway. Also i thought i had a 55 shield sovereign but under the magnifyer im not so sure about the last 5 being a 3 or 5 - maybe one over the other?

First two images are the 87 the last one obviously the 55/3

 

Your jubilee head looks to be a Sydney (S) probably first head so crown fouls the tooothed area, the J.EB. looks fairly normal to me, with hooked J.

The shield is difficult to make out from the picture, but could be 5 over 3, another photo may help.

[GodsMoney]

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Edited July 23 by GodsMoney

[GodsMoney]

Do you think? Theres a rarity in marsh with a high J, without seeing what an actual high J looks like its hard to tell but even accounting for the natural curvature it certainly appears higher than the E.B. to me but if you think it looks regular then im willing to take that on board

Edited July 23 by GodsMoney

[GodsMoney]

[Allgoldcoins]

28 minutes ago, GodsMoney said:

Do you think? Theres a rarity in marsh with a high J, without seeing what an actual high J looks like its hard to tell but even accounting for the natural curvature it certainly appears higher than the E.B. to me but if you think it looks regular then im willing to take that on board

This is definately a hooked J, the letters are in an arc, although I can see the stop is low, but I doubt it adds anything to the value of the coin. I am going to guess this could be a DISH.S2

15 minutes ago, GodsMoney said:

Nope still not clear enough to be sure of an underlying digit, I am afraid.

[Orpster]

1 hour ago, GodsMoney said:

If your going big with checking for errors and variants I can recommend this: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00XNYXQHE/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I have one the same.  An example of a picture is below, this is me checking if I had partially barred A's on an 1857

[GoldDiggerDave]

1 hour ago, GodsMoney said:

Do you think? Theres a rarity in marsh with a high J, without seeing what an actual high J looks like its hard to tell but even accounting for the natural curvature it certainly appears higher than the E.B. to me but if you think it looks regular then im willing to take that on board

There are many variations  on J.E.B   11-12 with combinations with  1st and 2nd legend on some years.

[GodsMoney]

28 minutes ago, Orpster said:

If your going big with checking for errors and variants I can recommend this: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00XNYXQHE/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I have one the same.  An example of a picture is below, this is me checking if I had partially barred A's on an 1857

Ooh I like that microscope mate. Very cool geeking out with these coins. I bet you can take some cracking whole coin photos with that as well...so long as that push button camera on top is as sensitive as they say it is lol, otherwise it'll be wobbling everywhere.

 

That looks like you did have partially barred As

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[GodsMoney]

14 minutes ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

There are many variations  on J.E.B   11-12 with combinations with  1st and 2nd legend on some years.

I've seen this legend mentioned, what's that referring to please when it says first and second legend. Also as @Allgoldcoins mentioned above DISH.S2 I'm guessing this is another referencing system for coins?

[Booky586]

1 hour ago, GodsMoney said:

Do you think? Theres a rarity in marsh with a high J, without seeing what an actual high J looks like its hard to tell but even accounting for the natural curvature it certainly appears higher than the E.B. to me but if you think it looks regular then im willing to take that on board

I think yours looks like a DISH S01 (happy to be corrected), photo taken from the Iverson collection.

I've attached the PDF for your reference, it's a must read for any Jubilee Head sovereigns.

The Jubilee Head Gold Sovereign 1887-1893 Iverson.pdf

Edited July 23 by Booky586

[Allgoldcoins]

32 minutes ago, Orpster said:

If your going big with checking for errors and variants I can recommend this: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00XNYXQHE/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I have one the same.  An example of a picture is below, this is me checking if I had partially barred A's on an 1857

Nice close ups, you don't happen to have a hi-res image of the whole coin I could use? I want to have a close look at the legend.

[Mx19]

21 minutes ago, Booky586 said:

I think yours looks like a DISH S01 (happy to be corrected), photo taken from the Iverson collection.

I've attached the PDF for your reference, it's a must read for any Jubilee Head sovereigns.

The Jubilee Head Gold Sovereign 1887-1893 Iverson.pdf 14.12 MB · 1 download

That looks good!! I don’t suppose there’s one for the half’s as well is there?! 

[Booky586]

1 hour ago, Mx19 said:

That looks good!! I don’t suppose there’s one for the half’s as well is there?! 

The Jubilee Head Gold Half Sovereign 1887-1893 Iverson.pdf

[Mx19]

16 minutes ago, Booky586 said:

The Jubilee Head Gold Half Sovereign 1887-1893 Iverson.pdf 1.22 MB · 2 downloads

Amazing, thank you

[Orpster]

2 hours ago, Allgoldcoins said:

Nice close ups, you don't happen to have a hi-res image of the whole coin I could use? I want to have a close look at the legend.

I may on the laptop, I will have a look tomorrow.  Not sure how high res it will be tho as it will have been taken on my phone 

[Orpster]

2 hours ago, GodsMoney said:

Ooh I like that microscope mate. Very cool geeking out with these coins. I bet you can take some cracking whole coin photos with that as well...so long as that push button camera on top is as sensitive as they say it is lol, otherwise it'll be wobbling everywhere.

 

That looks like you did have partially barred As

The stand it comes with is pretty useful though I tend to use it by hand, yes it did turn out to be partially barred