Rwanda Lunar and Ships series

[Sal]

11 hours ago, silversky said:

Just seen that the silver African wildlife is made by LEV but the gold one is made by Bavarian State mint.  So different mint between the gold and silver of that series.  Probably one or both of these mints making the lunar series.

188 gold bu dogs to be minted. Up from 100 roosters. May be the beginning of the ramp up in mintage numbers as the series goes forward. Like to know the dog silver proof numbers as well.

[Sal]

Muenzdachs has just increased his price for at least the fifth time on the Nautical Santa Maria silver proof to 180 euro plus 10 euro shipping. He calls it supply and demand. I call it tucking it to collectors that just want to buy and hold the coin. Moderator scolded me for me expressing my true feelings on what I thing about Muenzdachs. In America we have first amendment rights to freedom of speech. Is Germany and the  Eu going back to the days of Germany old? Sounds like it to me.

[Roy]

Not really. We have freedom of speech too but we really don't like to hear the sound of our own voice.

You don't have to buy from Muenzdachs you know. Or participate on a British forum.

[BackyardBullion]

41 minutes ago, Sal said:

Muenzdachs has just increased his price for at least the fifth time on the Nautical Santa Maria silver proof to 180 euro plus 10 euro shipping. He calls it supply and demand. I call it tucking it to collectors that just want to buy and hold the coin. Moderator scolded me for me expressing my true feelings on what I thing about Muenzdachs. In America we have first amendment rights to freedom of speech. Is Germany and the  Eu going back to the days of Germany old? Sounds like it to me.

I'm not sure that being moderated on a private forum is "going back to the Germany of old" by which I assume you mean Nazi Germany...which would be quite a stretch...

But I agree that them hiking the prices is pretty awful.

[Jester]

2 hours ago, Sal said:

Muenzdachs has just increased his price for at least the fifth time on the Nautical Santa Maria silver proof to 180 euro plus 10 euro shipping. He calls it supply and demand. I call it tucking it to collectors that just want to buy and hold the coin. Moderator scolded me for me expressing my true feelings on what I thing about Muenzdachs. In America we have first amendment rights to freedom of speech. Is Germany and the  Eu going back to the days of Germany old? Sounds like it to me.

You were spoken to by a Moderator likely because you called a fellow Forum member a "price gouging S.O.B." (which has since been redacted).  Even after @shortstack68 discretely tried to give you a heads up that Muenz is a Gold Member who actively participates on the Forum providing you with an opportunity to modify your approach to something more civil, you pressed on.  While members of this community disagree with each other from time to time, we do so in a respectful manner without resorting to name calling regardless of what side of the pond you're on.

As an owner and seller of the coins in question, @muenzdachs is completely within his rights to sell them for whatever he chooses.  As @Roy mentioned above, you can then make the choice not to buy from him.  It is in fact all about supply and demand (regardless of how much you want it to not be so).  From what I'm reading, this coin is 1) hot right now, 2) in very high demand and 3) in very short supply.  And you want him to sell his remaining (limited) stock for what it originally sold for (or even a small mark-up)?  That makes no sense.  Let me put the same scenario to you...you own a coin that is red hot, highly sought after by the coin collecting community and just can't be found anywhere.  You decide you'd like to cash in on the hype and so you're going to sell it on the secondary market for what?  What you purchased it for?  What it could originally be had for when dealers had stock?  A small percentage mark-up?  There's no need to respond, it's a rhetorical question as we know what the truthful response is.  And you know what, I wouldn't begrudge you in the least for doing so.  Capitalism is a beautiful thing.

[HyHy]

Anyway, got 2 silver dog reserved and paid a deposit even before I got to see the design.....

[silversky]

Personally I have no problem with any prices asked by anyone whether they be a dealer or not.  After all, that is how the price of actual physical precious metals is determined and ends up being what the market will bear full stop.  If it becomes too much then the price simply falls again.  No one is forcing anyone to pay high prices to collect anything.  These sorts of coins are a little like high end ladies handbags, you're paying a high premium for the prestige element rather than the inherent metal value.  Fair enough for those with deep enough pockets.  I can look on from the side lines and imagine the pleasure of owning one but I'm not a high roller so no point getting beat up about it.

[sovereignsteve]

3 hours ago, Sal said:

Muenzdachs has just increased his price for at least the fifth time on the Nautical Santa Maria silver proof to 180 euro plus 10 euro shipping. He calls it supply and demand. I call it tucking it to collectors that just want to buy and hold the coin. Moderator scolded me for me expressing my true feelings on what I thing about Muenzdachs. In America we have first amendment rights to freedom of speech. Is Germany and the  Eu going back to the days of Germany old? Sounds like it to me.

Freedom of speech is wonderful. Others here have expressed their views on your words in a respectable and eloquent way; I just think you're talking b*ll*cks.

[noblestack]

where can i pre order the dog

 

[fehk2001]

I just pm hyhy and asked same question 

[sovereignsteve]

which dog?

[fehk2001]

46 minutes ago, sovereignsteve said:

which dog?

Rwanda hot dog 

[airmac]

Personally I don't see anything wrong. He came on the forum and all but hit people with a barn door to buy when it was low. I was one of those people and I carry the weight of my decision.

Even when I send a message to his company asking about the selling. I was warned if so many more were sold he would hike. It was everyone's own decision not to buy at the time.and even after several warnings by him I didn't buy because of financial reasons. But how can he be wrong when his stock is dwindling and there no replacement.

I'll admit I got pretty heavy opinions about Germans at time and learned it from my grandparents who were here. But I would never come up with that terminology. I can only say he has been nice to me at anytime and forewarned all.

But that's my 2 cents

[muenzdachs]

I have not increased existing offer on ebay.

Everyone can have a look that the previous offers at lower prices were sold over ebay.

For sure a new offer got a new price than as the previous at a lower price were sold.

 

I was affronated in very rude terms by the member (you know him very well from this thread) several times over ebay - he startet 28th of August already

Yesterday as he called me again S.O.B (he did already before)  he used as well terms of "Nazi Germany".

That was really to much and I called ebay.

I hope they will do their job.

[muenzdachs]

2 minutes ago, muenzdachs said:

I was born decades after the WW II and I don't accept to be called as a Nazi

 

[BackyardBullion]

8 hours ago, shortstack68 said:

 Nearly spat my tea out at that last paragraph. You mention how you are starting in business, as a business seller didn't you increase the price of the S.O.T.D Sovereign weeks after release?

Not sure how you can criticise at price hiking, release price €75, now asking another €75 on top, you were initially asking £800 from members here, is price hiking only applicable to people outside the clique here?

I've said the same thing a few days ago elsewhere in herr, some people on here are only interested in their own gain and not members interests

Personally I do see a difference.

The price hiking I referred to was to continuing to increase prices as your stock goes down

To have things listed at a certain price, then increasing it once stock gets lower is very different than buying something and setting an asking price and sticking to it and/or Lowering it to sell it.

It would be like me doubling the price of my Hand Poured 1oz Silver forum bars because I only have 7 of them left. This is a very different situation to me than setting a price for a strike on the day sovereign which is higher than release but at the same time a market value that people are paying at the time...

Yes we are all in it to make money...especially when you run things as a business!

 

[fehk2001]

3 hours ago, muenzdachs said:

I have not increased existing offer on ebay.

Everyone can have a look that the previous offers at lower prices were sold over ebay.

For sure a new offer got a new price than as the previous at a lower price were sold.

 

I was affronated in very rude terms by the member (you know him very well from this thread) several times over ebay - he startet 28th of August already

Yesterday as he called me again S.O.B (he did already before)  he used as well terms of "Nazi Germany".

That was really to much and I called ebay.

I hope they will do their job.

Hi any pre order for Rwanda lunar dog pls on silber and gold

[muenzdachs]

Unfortunately I haven't any allocation/information yet on the Rwanda Lunar Dog coin

[airmac]

59 minutes ago, muenzdachs said:

Unfortunately I haven't any allocation/information yet on the Rwanda Lunar Dog coin

Out of pure curiosity do you get Informed beforehand as a dealer when what's coming and how many you can get to sell?

[muenzdachs]

As soon as we got information the first dealers will sell it and public knows as well

With Lunar Dog should be a slightly different situation as the Gold version was already presold by a German dealer.

Maybe they have any special contract

[PolarPanda]

I'm very surprised by the accusations that are being made on the adress of Münzdachs. First of all it doesn't make any sense that a dealer should not be able to raise his price on the moment that the demand gets higher. It seems as if Münzdachs is the only shop that does this, which is ofcourse not the case. I have the strong idea the accusations are made out of pure frustration to missing out on this beautiful and promising coin. That's not Münzdachs to blame. It's a shame that a very good shop and a nice person in this way gets harassed. 

[Maruchi]

Congratulations on your collection of Rwandan Nautical ounces.

I am looking forward to your Rwanda Dog information.

[mondy41]

1 hour ago, shortstack68 said:

Couldn't agree more

I second this - Soeren is great to deal with.  I had seen the Rwanda Nautical on munzdachs for under €70 and when the first 5 were gone it only went up a few euros for the next five and so on.

Who could blame them for upping the price - A sponsor of this forum advertised they had the  Perth Swan soon after release and when I went to there site it was €50 - when questioned about the price there reply was they had to pay more - common place I feel. 

Actually I bought and item from Ebay from Soeren and had a pending order from there site and requested it to be included with the order to avoid shipping charge - it was done FOC.

 

[fehk2001]

4 hours ago, shortstack68 said:

Mr AA , you have some secret news so are u going to sort me out a lunar hot dog then 

[kiwisilver]

The cheapest place to buy silver is goldsilver.be/ or Germany

Damn. Can't access the above site from my country.