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Mistakes are frequently made by these companies- I once had a 1/4oz Gold Proof Mexićo Libertad returned to the person who submitted it on my behalf attributed as a GB 50p coin! Likely the submission form was filled in incorrectly- but you are correct- its easily plausible that a scam could be possible, by unscrupulous people making fraudulent entries on the submission form and the corresponding coin making it through the Grading process in agreement with the submitters entry on the sheet. It might sound far- fetched, but I read an article describing that the mechanised process of these companies allows only a few seconds of appraisal by a Grader prior to a judgment being made.

Thanks Adrian. It’s unbelievable and unforgivable that fundamental mistakes are made by third party grading companies, particularly with modern coins- I wonder if there are any uninitiated collectors out there who have paid Proof prices for a mislabeled Bu slabbed coin.

Agreed Steve, the dies used, look to be the same and both types are wonderful. Clearly, the Obverse of the 5 Sovereign Piece gives it away as a Bu coin- the photos above flatter it, as it appears there is a degree of Cameo when actually there isn’t. Same with the Reverse, the 5 Sovereign Piece is once again flattered in the photos I have taken, in hand, the frosting much weaker than it’s Proof counterpart, and a marked difference in terms of the lack of definition and detail of the Garter, lack of frosting to the Rim, and no frosting to the lettering. @Coverte’s idea of taking side by side photos of his Bu issues would be useful, as perhaps there might be some nuances between coins, perhaps some having a degree of frosting to the Obverse? And a deeper Cameo to the Reverse?

Nothing better to do whilst recovering from man- flu. On a recent sales post a debate arose surrounding the merits of the Deep Proof Like 2017 Five Sovereign Piece (992 mintage) and the 2017 Proof Sovereign (749 mintage). Some (not great) photos I have taken of both of them to compare and contrast. In hand, and to my eyes, there’s a marked difference. What do you think?

Any interest in these?

@ST1986 did you get my PM?

Then don’t miss it Mike

You won’t get one for less in this grade

Any interest in these beautiful high grade coins at reduced prices?

Price Reduction: Available as a set at £1050 to include the original South Africa Mint presentation case or priced individually: 1953 Elizabeth II Gold Proof South Africa Pound NGC PF66 Cameo £700 Now £650 1953 Elizabeth II Gold Proof South Africa Pound NGC PF68 Top Population £500 Now £475

Prices reduced £1150 the set Pound £700 1/2 Pound £500

1953 Elizabeth II Gold Proof South Africa 2 coin Set Beautiful Mary Gillick portrait in proof and exceptional grades given they are 70 years old. Available as a set at £1050 to include the original South Africa Mint presentation case or priced individually. 1953 Elizabeth II Gold Proof South Africa Pound NGC PF66 Cameo £700 Now £650 1953 Elizabeth II Gold Proof South Africa Pound NGC PF68 Top Population £500 Now £475 Gillick portrait Sovereigns in high grade (MS66 and above) are currently realising four figure sums despite the mintages being in the many millions. These extremely high grade South Africa coins allow a fantastic opportunity to acquire the same Gillick Portrait in a Proof finish (4k mintage) at a reasonable price- the Half Pound is top NGC population.

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Reduced £550 the pair posted Special Delivery OR £275 each plus postage of buyers choice and risk.

REDUCED TO £550 each or £1050 the pair Thanks

REDUCED TO £550 each or £1050 the pair The inaugural issues of the Gold Sixpence 2021 Proof .999 Fine Gold Sixpence NGC PF70 Ultra Cameo £550 2021 Proof 916.7 Rose Gold Sixpence NGC PF70 Ultra Cameo £550 Sweet coins, 1st year of issue in Gold- beautiful John Bergdahl designed Reverse featuring Her Majesty Elizabeth II Royal Cypher surrounded by a floral motif and Obverse: Jody Clark’s 5th Portrait. Coins supplied as per photographs with presentation cases etc. Both coins have a tiny NGC census Prices include RM Special Delivery

2x 2024 King Charles III Silver 1oz Britannia supplied in capsules £46 plus postage of buyers choice

As per title- 2x Royal Mint .999 Gold Bars- Britannia design in certicards. One sealed in Henna design card the other opened as per photo £550 the pair posted Special Delivery OR £275 each plus postage of buyers choice and risk.

The Royal Mint publishes the actual sales of its commemorative coins, they cite the 2017 Five Sovereign BU as 992 actually sold and 749 Proof 5 Sovereign issued in the 5 Coin Sovereign Sets. https://www.royalmint.com/discover/uk-coins/mintage-figures/2017-dated-uk-commemorative-coin-sales/

I’ll take this one if still available please.

I kind of agree, but the Pistrucci George & Dragon design is more than worthy of inclusion into the series. Hopefully there will also be a nice uplift in value of the original 1818- 20 Crown it will be a re-working of 👍

And a 1985 Maklouf and a 2016 James Butler Portraits

Agreed- the least I’ve seen is £900 with fees, I kicked myself for not purchasing. More usually this set between £1000 and £1200.

Nice pick up. This particular set is sought after- I’ve been an underbidder many times on a 1953 set- difficult to find under £900.

I think, and given the scenario you set out- you’ve probably stacked plenty of bullion in case of a SHTF scenario if you did need to sell, so in this scenario why not purchase a really nice high grade Sovereign. High grade historic coins will always find buyer, no matter if you buy Gold or Silver, a Milled or Hammered coin. Long term, if you buy the right coin, your investment will trump any 1oz bullion purchase you make now. Taking the leap of faith will be your biggest obstacle.