ShaolinStacker

Congrats on the pickup! Looks to be an excellent addition to your collection!😃

Some birds from sunny California, big thanks to @ShaolinStacker and rusty little mouse.
Who said that Americans can't offer good trade deal?)))

Hi Shaolinstacker
 
At the moment I have it with I silver pied fort and 1 oz proof and bullion coins plus 2017 Ducat, its no Una lol

Added 0 minutes later... Love the US flag privy.  

Yes I missed the point about the gold ! It would have been more concerning  if it was cash

It's gorgeous, a real treasure.

Sold my una and lion 2oz gold proof coin and used the profit to buy a 1761 Yeo Pattern Guinea in recent BSJ auction. I receive the coin today and really like it!

I can hear the twanging of the rubber gloves- if you had landed at Heathrow 🙄 

Why is that an issue if it's declared and he has receipts? I don't see the concern given he's done nothing wrong personally. 
There is a risk of people overthinking this a little bit. People walk around wearing watches worth more than this lol (not me!). 
Edit - nevermind, I see Shaolin has clarified the cash vs gold bit, your post makes more sense now! 

I'm angry on your behalf! That's such a scum move by the buyer. And I say that knowing well that they are probably reading this.
To guarantee the deal then demand a discount when you've already invested in the travel... unbelievable. Plus there's no way they are a collector of the calibre to buy this coin but don't own any other gold other than the one coin they gave you - so I don't believe for one moment they couldn't cover the shortfall in the agreed price if they wanted to. In fact I don't believe for one moment there was a partner at all. Disgraceful behaviour. You're a calmer man than me, I'd have told the lousy git to get stuffed and taken my coin back home 😣
In my opinion when someone deliberately screws you over like that you should have no qualms about naming and shaming (their forum name that is...). May help others avoid a similar situation. But your call of course. 
Still, c.450 grams of gold for 2oz isn't a bad outcome at least! 

Totally agree with everything you're saying. I shouldn't have been so trusting. In the end it all worked out and I ended up with the a similar amount I would have with paypal minus my travel fees (but I did have a really nice 5 day trip to Bavaria). I had spoken with him alot before leaving and he seemed very honest. I had his name address ect. I came prepared to deal with a criminal by not giving flight or hotel information. Only meeting at location of Major bank near police station. Arrived early and informed Management of the transaction. Left securely with escort to my vehicle through the banks elevator. (Tried to dot my lower case j in that sense)
As for customs $10,000 is not the limit. It is the limit if you do not wish to declare. Gold bullion has 0 VAT import fee or any taxes into the USA. Neither does Germany. Google it. Always best bet to declare rather than risk seizure. Customs was super cool literally no problems at all. They were indifferent and asked no questions. Right away I was like I have a decent amount of gold. Response was "and......."  Most of the currency exchange places in Airports will convert to gold bullion. I had my receipts for the gold from the shop in case. They never asked to see them Really good experience. $25 grand is really not much in the world these days. I did my research and declared everything both ways
 

Yeah it really pissed me off because I demanded $1000 up front to cover plane tickets in case he tried some thing like this. He swore and swore that there wouldn't be any issue. I land after a 14 hour flight to him saying "his partner backed out" even though  there was no mention of any partner up to this point.
But as you said not the end of the world, and still over all positive. He was a nice guy and all. So not going to out him by name or anything. Munich was a pretty awesome place to visit for the first time. I took a few days to explore. So got a nice mini vacation out of it.

Special thanks to @Paul @sovereignsteve @Oldun and all others for the advice. I've been selling on Ebay since 2004 and never new about the Paypal rules regarding buyer and seller protection on gold.
One lesson I think really needs to highlighted to all members here on the forum is that PAYPAL OFFERS NO PROTECTION TO BUYERS OR SELLERS FOR ANYTHING MADE OUT OF GOLD. Buyers obviously still have the ability to perform a charge back on their credit card, but I will be extremely careful in the future about selling anything Gold on Ebay. Something to think about.

@Paul @sovereignsteve
Yes, sale went through. I ended up canceling the Ebay auction and flying to Munich Germany to deliver the coin for cash. After thoroughly reading the ebay and paypal policies. Neither of us felt safe going through either of them. Turns out the buyer is a member here on the forum, and was reading this thread as we were discussing it. Transaction went well... Other than upon landing in Munich. The buyer messaged me saying that "his partner backed out of the deal and he could only pay me $24,000 and a 2018 Netherlands Gold Lion dollar($2000 in my Estimate) $26,000 total(19,950 Pounds)" instead of the agreed $29000(22,255 Pounds). I was really upset, and felt taken advantage of a bit. As he promised me multiple times he already had the money. After travelling half way across the world I decided to give him the coin at the price. After Flight, Hotel, food, and 3 days missed work I ended up taking home about $23,000. Before leaving Germany I converted the $$ to 4x 100G gold bars and 7 Victoria Jubilee sovereigns. Came home and sold 1- 100 gram bar to pay the CC from purchasing the coin. All, and all worked out pretty well other than the last minute stiff on a few thousand. I figure that with the $750 I would have paid Ebay and the 4% I would have paid Paypal kinda broke even.(I'm guessing thats what the buyer was counting on as well)

@Paul @sovereignsteve
Yes, sale went through. I ended up canceling the Ebay auction and flying to Munich Germany to deliver the coin for cash. After thoroughly reading the ebay and paypal policies. Neither of us felt safe going through either of them. Turns out the buyer is a member here on the forum, and was reading this thread as we were discussing it. Transaction went well... Other than upon landing in Munich. The buyer messaged me saying that "his partner backed out of the deal and he could only pay me $24,000 and a 2018 Netherlands Gold Lion dollar($2000 in my Estimate) $26,000 total(19,950 Pounds)" instead of the agreed $29000(22,255 Pounds). I was really upset, and felt taken advantage of a bit. As he promised me multiple times he already had the money. After travelling half way across the world I decided to give him the coin at the price. After Flight, Hotel, food, and 3 days missed work I ended up taking home about $23,000. Before leaving Germany I converted the $$ to 4x 100G gold bars and 7 Victoria Jubilee sovereigns. Came home and sold 1- 100 gram bar to pay the CC from purchasing the coin. All, and all worked out pretty well other than the last minute stiff on a few thousand. I figure that with the $750 I would have paid Ebay and the 4% I would have paid Paypal kinda broke even.(I'm guessing thats what the buyer was counting on as well)

Ran out of reactions but thanks on the previous post. If my wife wasn't preg and I didn't have an 11 month old 99% I would have told him to pound sand. Live and learn. I was super worried coming back in with the bullion myself but they literally could care less. I was in shock at how cool they were. The world fair of money was in Germany that weekend so I had a whole story if they hassle me but they literally said nothing just thank you sir.

Ahhh you missed my earlier post. I traded my cash for 4x100g gold bars and 7 soverigns at ProArum in Munich. Came back in with I believe just under 16 ozs. I declared every bit of gold coming back into the USA and had no cash on me. Very important rule dont declare face value on gold coins. Easiest way to get confiscated. Yes yes I know its gov issued currency. Try explaining that to a pleb. 

Totally agree with everything you're saying. I shouldn't have been so trusting. In the end it all worked out and I ended up with the a similar amount I would have with paypal minus my travel fees (but I did have a really nice 5 day trip to Bavaria). I had spoken with him alot before leaving and he seemed very honest. I had his name address ect. I came prepared to deal with a criminal by not giving flight or hotel information. Only meeting at location of Major bank near police station. Arrived early and informed Management of the transaction. Left securely with escort to my vehicle through the banks elevator. (Tried to dot my lower case j in that sense)
As for customs $10,000 is not the limit. It is the limit if you do not wish to declare. Gold bullion has 0 VAT import fee or any taxes into the USA. Neither does Germany. Google it. Always best bet to declare rather than risk seizure. Customs was super cool literally no problems at all. They were indifferent and asked no questions. Right away I was like I have a decent amount of gold. Response was "and......."  Most of the currency exchange places in Airports will convert to gold bullion. I had my receipts for the gold from the shop in case. They never asked to see them Really good experience. $25 grand is really not much in the world these days. I did my research and declared everything both ways
 

Totally agree with everything you're saying. I shouldn't have been so trusting. In the end it all worked out and I ended up with the a similar amount I would have with paypal minus my travel fees (but I did have a really nice 5 day trip to Bavaria). I had spoken with him alot before leaving and he seemed very honest. I had his name address ect. I came prepared to deal with a criminal by not giving flight or hotel information. Only meeting at location of Major bank near police station. Arrived early and informed Management of the transaction. Left securely with escort to my vehicle through the banks elevator. (Tried to dot my lower case j in that sense)
As for customs $10,000 is not the limit. It is the limit if you do not wish to declare. Gold bullion has 0 VAT import fee or any taxes into the USA. Neither does Germany. Google it. Always best bet to declare rather than risk seizure. Customs was super cool literally no problems at all. They were indifferent and asked no questions. Right away I was like I have a decent amount of gold. Response was "and......."  Most of the currency exchange places in Airports will convert to gold bullion. I had my receipts for the gold from the shop in case. They never asked to see them Really good experience. $25 grand is really not much in the world these days. I did my research and declared everything both ways
 

Yeah it really pissed me off because I demanded $1000 up front to cover plane tickets in case he tried some thing like this. He swore and swore that there wouldn't be any issue. I land after a 14 hour flight to him saying "his partner backed out" even though  there was no mention of any partner up to this point.
But as you said not the end of the world, and still over all positive. He was a nice guy and all. So not going to out him by name or anything. Munich was a pretty awesome place to visit for the first time. I took a few days to explore. So got a nice mini vacation out of it.

@Paul @sovereignsteve
Yes, sale went through. I ended up canceling the Ebay auction and flying to Munich Germany to deliver the coin for cash. After thoroughly reading the ebay and paypal policies. Neither of us felt safe going through either of them. Turns out the buyer is a member here on the forum, and was reading this thread as we were discussing it. Transaction went well... Other than upon landing in Munich. The buyer messaged me saying that "his partner backed out of the deal and he could only pay me $24,000 and a 2018 Netherlands Gold Lion dollar($2000 in my Estimate) $26,000 total(19,950 Pounds)" instead of the agreed $29000(22,255 Pounds). I was really upset, and felt taken advantage of a bit. As he promised me multiple times he already had the money. After travelling half way across the world I decided to give him the coin at the price. After Flight, Hotel, food, and 3 days missed work I ended up taking home about $23,000. Before leaving Germany I converted the $$ to 4x 100G gold bars and 7 Victoria Jubilee sovereigns. Came home and sold 1- 100 gram bar to pay the CC from purchasing the coin. All, and all worked out pretty well other than the last minute stiff on a few thousand. I figure that with the $750 I would have paid Ebay and the 4% I would have paid Paypal kinda broke even.(I'm guessing thats what the buyer was counting on as well)

Nah You were spot on. Speaking of safety he asked to meet me at my hotel. Instead of the agreed upon Major Bank Branch Lobby. I refused and changed my Whatsapp photo from a happy family picture. To one that shows that I'm a 6'1 250 pound (17.8 stone) Black Belt World Championship Level Judoka for team USA. Everything was smooth after that    . 

For a £20000 item would you risk it???

Nah You were spot on. Speaking of safety he asked to meet me at my hotel. Instead of the agreed upon Major Bank Branch Lobby. I refused and changed my Whatsapp photo from a happy family picture. To one that shows that I'm a 6'1 250 pound (17.8 stone) Black Belt World Championship Level Judoka for team USA. Everything was smooth after that    . 

Safety is a massive concern when dealing with such an amount of cash, just this past week i read this on Daily Mail for big deal done in cash 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7930931/Balaclava-clad-thugs-beat-rob-couple-travelled-190-miles-buy-Mercedes-Ebay.html
Safety is key