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    • I don't understand the gold market enough yet, to decide who is right but I tend to think it's @sixgun. The reasons are: There are not just "market" forces active in the markets, generally. (A factor that influences if we see both up and down manipulations or politically motivated ones that go only one direction.) E.g. there is the plunge protection team to prop up the share markets. Also, we have a corporatistic, highly controlled economic system with the players at the top not being preliminarily interested in financial gain or free markets but in political power and control. Once at the top, you don't need much of it to get more financial gains, anyway. Also, there are billionaires saying socialism is the way to go (total control, in other words). I'm referring to Bill Gates but also the actions of other billionaires are telling (e.g. some supporting far left, basically Marxist parties (thus the contemporary mainstream left)). Other factors that will influence the gold price have not been discussed at all. Gold is said to run out in ca 20 years. Also the discovery of new reserves has been declining for decades, so even an odd big find would rather not change the trend per se. On the other hand, in the oceans, there is a gigantic multiple of all gold dug out of the earth so far. It was tried to get it out, in the 1920ies, unsuccessfully but who can guarantee it will always be impossible in large quantities at an affordable cost? Same for gold extremely deep that might become accessible through technological progress. Finally, most unlikely - as they can make a few gold atoms in CERN, we know it's principally possible to artificially create gold. Again, no one can exclude the possibility it could be done on a big scale through technological progress. Also, future alternative ways to get energy, might play a big role (on the negative side for gold owners, cheaper energy, lower gold production cost) All in all I think getting it out of the Ocean might happen at some point but I think it's unlikely to happen at anyone's current life time. Chances for gold to rise a lot are bigger than the other way round and chances it will not hold value for us who live now, exist but are tiny. Gold along with silver are still the safest bet to keep your purchasing power and will probably still be around for several generations after us. In 5000 years? I don't think so but we will be dead anyway.  
    • @Bdean316, @Elements is correct, the 1891-M Short Tail is listed as R5 in Marsh, 5-10 examples estimated to have survived.  The 1891-M Long Tail is Common. Similarly, the 1891 no Mint mark for London Mint Short Tail is also listed as R5, with Long Tail as R3 or Extremely Rare. Lastly, 1891-S only minted Long Tails and were Common.  Example of my 1891-M Short Tail (one of my first photos so kind of cr@ppy)... And an 1891 Long Tail...  
    • Brillant , thank u for the guidance. Will let u know how it goes !!!  
    • Did you look on... https://atkinsonsbullion.com/gold/gold-coins/1oz-gold-coins/2018-mexican-libertad-1oz-gold-coin or... https://www.coininvest.com/en/gold-coins/mexico-libertad/  
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