Just want to get everyone's opinion

[matrawr]

So I recently purchased two Morgan dollars and want to know what people think as I've noticed some differences. Both are non magnetic however one slides down slightly faster (the darker one slides faster) and is also slightly thicker just want to know if I've been fooled or not! Let me know what you think.

[BackyardBullion]

first instinct would be the thicker one is a fake. 

[matrawr]

And it would appear so! Just carried out an sg test came up short around 8.3!

[sovereignsteve]

there are plenty of fakes out there, seems nothing is safe these days

[matrawr]

Well the first thing I thought was odd was the mail I received came from Singapore but on the seller's ebay it said from USA feeling I may have to open a claim do I do that through eBay or paypal? I've messaged the seller no reply yet.

[Pete]

If bought from eBay you start the resolution process by giving as much information as you can, pictures help, as to why you believe the coin is a fake and requesting a full refund including all costs of shipping ( if you want ). eBay will likely ask that you return the coin to the seller but before you do so get the seller to agree to either prepay the return postage or agree to reimburse you. Even if the seller does not accept returns, if an item is "not as described", eBay will support you. Unfortunately you then have to wait and once this time has passed you can escalate for eBay to decide. Ensure ALL correspondence is through the eBay resolution section.

[metallica73]

Both are actually slightly overweight which worries me, but its close enough it might just be your scales.

If you are returning this to Singapore, unfortunately you are going to have to send this back registered post otherwise this seller is going to claim he didn't get it back.

[BackyardBullion]

7 minutes ago, metallica73 said:

Both are actually slightly overweight which worries me, but its close enough it might just be your scales.

If you are returning this to Singapore, unfortunately you are going to have to send this back registered post otherwise this seller is going to claim he didn't get it back.

Yes but if he goes through the resolution centre the seller will be forced to purchase the return postage label via ebay. It just takes time. 

[metallica73]

1 minute ago, BackyardBullion said:

Yes but if he goes through the resolution centre the seller will be forced to purchase the return postage label via ebay. It just takes time. 

It's changed for the better since I last had to do this then. As a buyer you are pretty much covered these days.

Matrawr, if you follow the process outlined above by Pete and your seller knows they sold you a fake i'm 99% sure they'll not want to go to the trouble of paying out for return postage and will refund you and tell you to keep the 'coin'

[matrawr]

Thanks all bought from a seller called amiranade0 eho now has no listings and just found another seller with similar listings called ralphaywar-7 messaged both and neither have got back to me let me know what you think guys :/

[metallica73]

19 minutes ago, matrawr said:

Thanks all bought from a seller called amiranade0 eho now has no listings and just found another seller with similar listings called ralphaywar-7 messaged both and neither have got back to me let me know what you think guys :/

Yeah, I think this guy is selling fakes.

They've sold a dozen or so in the last month, all in the £15-16 range with free international shipping.  Even for lower grades, way too cheap.

The fact they have absolutely no feedback for selling PM's is a red flag for me too.

Follow Petes advice above and open an Ebay resolution case for both immediately.

 

 

[matrawr]

13 minutes ago, metallica73 said:

Yeah, I think this guy is selling fakes.

They've sold a dozen or so in the last month, all in the £15-16 range with free international shipping.  Even for lower grades, way too cheap.

The fact they have absolutely no feedback for selling PM's is a red flag for me too.

Follow Petes advice above and open an Ebay resolution case for both immediately.

 

 

Thanksfor your help guys will do and let you know of any updates.

[daz]

I'm pretty sure if it's fake you do not have to send it back as it is illegal to send counterfeit goods via royal mail. 

I purchased some goods not long ago from eBay , they told me to send them back. when I pointed out to them this is illegal they sent me a form to confirm that I had destroyed the items and I got my money back

 

http://pages.ebay.co.uk/safetycentre/counterfeits.html

[matrawr]

Thanks started the resolution let's see what happens!

[matrawr]

Also just out of curiosity if I were to come across a fake good enough to pass off as genuine and I sent it off for grading what would happen? I can only guess ngc or whoever would pick up on it right? Or would it still be graded and slabbed?

[vand]

fleabay strikes again

[matrawr]

Just had a reply from the guy who sold me the coin. Should I lie to him then leave negative feedback?

i am sorry,any unsatisfy we promised refund,as return waste money and time,can i suggest i only refund for you.no need return,just hope you do not leave bad or neutral feedback for me,is it OK?many thanks

New message from: amiranade0 (23)

[metallica73]

Take the refund, then leave neg feedback without hesitation. They are scammers.

[matrawr]

Thanks metallica73 was thinking after he's refunded me what about the other seller? How do I let potential buyers know of him?

[matrawr]

Refunded.