Chinesemedals - Awful Service & ebay Feedback Manipulation

[Gimson]

5 hours ago, Pampfan said:

@OrchestralCongrats on the new edition to your family. 

I think this thread has cleared it up very nicely for me as to not start collecting panda medals, to much stress.  ( got enough problems dealing with milk spots)

 

I have to agree.  I came this forum from @Numistacker's videos because he made me interested in these Chinese medals.  I'm sad to read this thread, but looking at it myself the feedback is very suspicious. I think I just might hold off on collecting them for now.

@Orchestral Congratulations! I have a two-year-old son and just bought my first house.  It's crazy and stressful but worth it!  Thanks for sharing your experience.

[daz]

i buy quite a few items from china (not coins) and the tracking pretty much is useless on all of them , if you order from china i wouldnt even bother checking the tracking as it will drive you mad . usually the items arrive before the tracking on the website you are checking it with is updated . 

[Guest]

I echo@daz sentiments. Tracking from China is almost non existent but not one package has failed to arrive - maybe the postman feels nothing from China is worth stealing.
@gimson I am happy I motivated you to consider Chinese Medals. I agree with you that the feedback looks a bit crazy but then again the whole situation including@orchestral negative feedback was from the heart and a bit spur of the moment.

All the recommended Chinese medal sellers are reliable and that includes Andy Lucky Dragon Naomi and Lavend... etc they all deliver and they all stand behind the product and they all carry authentic goods.

I have bought from All the uk and USA and European sources and I can honestly say I have not had any more issues (and probably less) with our Chinese friends than with others.

Not every Chinese medal will be a winner. But with series editions that have limited mintage and a Chinese USA and European interest the odds at the moment are in our favour.

People ask me about the right time to sell and my advice is to keep some for the medium term and sell some to other collectors when the market is short of stock. The moment the main sources on eBay dry up.



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[Orchestral]

11 hours ago, Numistacker said:

I agree with you that the feedback looks a bit crazy but then again the whole situation including@orchestral negative feedback was from the heart and a bit spur of the moment.

It was from the head and after deliberation, since I, like you, am invested in this series and I'm sorry 28th November - 4th January does not equal 'spur of the moment'! Come off it @Numistacker I love your videos man but all your attempts at explaining away what happened are getting a little bit silly.

 

Anyway, I wanted to let you all know that I closed the ebay request with Dragon for the missing Nanjing coin like he requested and he refund me immediately. He's asked me keep checking the tracking on it and pay him if it eventually shows up. Thumbs up for Dragon, the guy's a champ.

[Guest]

It was from the head and after deliberation, since I, like you, am invested in this series and I'm sorry 28th November - 4th January does not equal 'spur of the moment'! Come off it @Numistacker I love your videos man but all your attempts at explaining away what happened are getting a little bit silly.

 

Anyway, I wanted to let you all know that I closed the ebay request with Dragon for the missing Nanjing coin like he requested and he refund me immediately. He's asked me keep checking the tracking on it and pay him if it eventually shows up. Thumbs up for Dragon, the guy's a champ.

I just received a counterfeit gold coin from an eBay reseller and even that would not have made me give negative feedback. It's just a personal thing about where we draw the line. In my opinion and we all have our opinions your negative feedback was inappropriate and wrong and quite possibly the use of the word "fake" was just plain wrong.

If I was an eBay seller and you were my customer I am not at all sure I would want you as a customer to be honest as the aggro would be far greater than the profit. I have been defensive on this issue to get a little balance to the arguement as it seemed at times posts were borderline vindictive.

I am ok to not mention or post on this subject again and perhaps we can all move on. Opinions seem to be divided and you have no real problem or loss have you?



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[Orchestral]

21 minutes ago, Numistacker said:

I just received a counterfeit gold coin from an eBay reseller and even that would not have made me give negative feedback.

Nor would I! Unless say.. I felt the seller also messed me about with multiple other subsequent purchases for returning said counterfeit coin, say.. over the period of about a month. So that's just a straw man argument really.

You can move on and not reply if you like, I'm not making you respond. I understand if you want this thread out of the lime light since it could well damage the reputation of someone you endorse and a series you're financially invested in, but I'll talk about what I like.

[Guest]

Nor would I! Unless say.. I felt the seller also messed me about with multiple other subsequent purchases for returning said counterfeit coin, say.. over the period of about a month. So that's just a straw man argument really.

You can move on and not reply if you like, I'm not making you respond. I understand if you want this thread out of the lime light since it could well damage the reputation of someone you endorse and a series you're financially invested in, but I'll talk about what I like.

It will not damage Andy's reputation or mine in any way. One thing never does only a prolonged pattern. If Trump is president of America there is nothing you can say about Andy or Chinese Medals that makes a dent since judging from the responses on this thread it is absolutely not the experience of others.

Since neither you or I can clearly resist continuing this I suggest to@helpinghands that this thread should be closed unless others find it entertaining then I guess we should just carry on.


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[sovereignsteve]

I see no reason to close it. It is and has been a valid topic for discussion. No one is getting enraged and out of hand. Further useful and relevant information may come to light.

[Orchestral]

36 minutes ago, Numistacker said:

If I was an eBay seller and you were my customer I am not at all sure I would want you as a customer to be honest as the aggro would be far greater than the profit.

You didn't mind that 1/4 Queen's Beast I bought from you but I guess that's not really your point. I've been on ebay since April 2007 and this is the second time I've ever left negative feedback out of 383 purchases.

[Guest]

You didn't mind that 1/4 Queen's Beast I bought from you but I guess that's not really your point. I've been on ebay since April 2007 and this is the second time I've ever left negative feedback out of 383 purchases.

I don't mind you in any way and would be happy buying from you or selling to you. I think I have 1007 feedback on eBay since 2001 and have never had or given negative feedback.

You felt you had to give it and I don't imagine you will give it again by the sound of it. You were angry and upset and felt you were being messed around. I understand that very well as I feel like that often ))



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[Orchestral]

I will update this thread regarding the missing COA from Lucky if the thread is still open. It'd be disappointing to close the discourse at the juncture I feel, It's been an education to me, I'm pretty new to stacking in general.

[Guest]

I see no reason to close it. It is and has been a valid topic for discussion. No one is getting enraged and out of hand. Further useful and relevant information may come to light.

Lol Steve )) ?


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[Roy]

It has been useful.

Was it confirmed that Mr Andy's business partner had left him positive feedback?

Many times.

[Pampfan]

I think this thread is the very reason I joined the forum. To help educate and get to the truth of the matter so we can all decide individually what we want to do as collectors, stackers, etc.

Open discussion is essential.  When there is no discussion we are all in trouble.  

[Guest]

I think this thread is the very reason I joined the forum. To help educate and get to the truth of the matter so we can all decide individually what we want to do as collectors, stackers, etc.

Open discussion is essential.  When there is no discussion we are all in trouble.  

The problem I have is the thread title is pejorative and each time I or anyone else replies everyone gets an email saying Chinese medals awful service on eBay and that's not most people's experience.

Maybe change the title and carry on ))



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[sovereignsteve]

13 minutes ago, Numistacker said:

 

The problem I have is the thread title is pejorative and each time I or anyone else replies everyone gets an email saying Chinese medals awful service on eBay and that's not most people's experience.

Maybe change the title and carry on ))



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Which part of the title do you think didn't happen in this instance?

"Awful service" or "ebay feedback manipulation"? 

Many people would agree with the OP.

This is one thread on a large forum that only really exists for the purpose of discussion and the exchange of information and opinions. It is a reflection of one person's experience. No one will look at the title and assume that is the be all and end all of Chinesemedals; the definitive statement as to their actions and worth.

People will read the thread with all it's opinions and real life experiences  and make up their own minds.

[Roy]

Agreed

 

[Guest]

Which part of the title do you think didn't happen in this instance?

"Awful service" or "ebay feedback manipulation"? 

Many people would agree with the OP.

This is one thread on a large forum that only really exists for the purpose of discussion and the exchange of information and opinions. It is a reflection of one person's experience. No one will look at the title and assume that is the be all and end all of Chinesemedals; the definitive statement as to their actions and worth.

People will read the thread with all it's opinions and real life experiences  and make up their own minds.

You totally miss the point Steve. I think on purpose ..... it's not about the op's experience or making your mind up about experiences.


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[sovereignsteve]

6 minutes ago, Numistacker said:

 

You totally miss the point Steve. I think on purpose ..... it's not about the op's experience or making your mind up about experiences.


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No I don't think so, well not on purpose anyway. Why don't you explain it to me?

How would you have thread titles worded? Are you suggesting tight rules? How about mods changing the wording if these rules are broken or anyone dislikes them?

[HelpingHands]

I've not read the whole thread but I imagine by page 3 everyone has established their views.

I think it's worth keeping the thread open in case there are any useful updates.

[Guest]

Let's say I started a post called Sovereignsteve sucks .. and 99 people jump in and say he is the best thing ever and nobody replies to any post that generates 99 posts in email boxes saying Sovereignsteve sucks. Mud sticks and pretty soon it would be That Sovereignsteve isn't he the one who sucks. I do not think it's fair in this case. As awful service is not in any way something the majority have experienced. We are talking about a small specialist trader here not a large bullion dealer.


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[barney]

@Numistacker whats your inbox got to do with the company Chinese Medals ? or is there a link?

[Roy]

Numi, you're way too invested in this. It's not healthy. Or coherent.

[Guest]

@Numistacker whats your inbox got to do with the company Chinese Medals ? or is there a link?

Absolutely nothing!



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[HelpingHands]

If one person has had a bad experience with a seller (no matter how big or small they are) then they are allowed to post about it.  People with the opposite experience can comment too.

Anybody reading the thread can then weigh up those comments (which in this case look mostly positive) and make their own minds up if they want to use the seller.