1oz Geiger bar, real or not?

[Ryan AC]

Hi, I'm new to silver bars and am a bit suspicious of a Geiger bar I've bought, any help or advice would be much appreciated and if someone has one to compare that'd be even better.

 

My reasons for suspecting it's not real:

Reeded edge, I haven't seen this on pics of 1oz bars from internet dealers, only seen on larger bars.

No UV markings, or is this only on larger bars?

reverse side is as shiny as front side, I've read it's supposed to be duller.

 

I'll add a couple pics of it as soon as I get home.

 

Thanks, Ryan.

[Ryan AC]

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[Danny-boy]

Sounds good to me, you have just described a Geiger stacker.

I love the reeded edge.

Where did you but it from?

[Ryan AC]

Thanks that's good to hear. I didn't think the 1oz's had reeded edges looking at pics but good to know they do, it is nice to have on there. Was worried mainly about having no UV but guess that's just the larger bars and not worth adding to the 1oz bars.

 

It was an eBay purchase, haven't seen very many and it looked nice so thought It'd be a nice buy. I've bought a few others but I can use weight and dimensions to check usually, just couldn't find any info on the Geiger bars dimensions.

 

Post before messed up with pics so edited.

 

Thanks.

[Danny-boy]

Ryan, I'm really sorry mate but I misread your first post, I thought it said 10oz.

I know nothing about the 1oz so please disregard my post.

I'm sure somebody else will be along shortly that knows.

[Danny-boy]

Have to say Ryan, it's not looking good.

http://www.providentmetals.com/1-oz-geiger-silver-bar.html

Looks the same bar as yours, from a very established & trusted vendor, and definitely no edge reeding.

[Danny-boy]

Looks like wrong packaging too looking at the 3rd pic on the provident website, there should not be that much surrounding plastic if it was cut from a sheet like the picture.

[Ryan AC]

Thanks, doesn't look good from the pics on there does it, it's the same pic with other sites as well. I wasn't sure if they were real photos though or ones they've made and added the edge themselves on a computer as the stock photos on Geiger aren't at an angle so you can't tell wether they do or don't have reeded edges. Also seems strange a copy would have added them to it if the original doesn't have it.

Geiger haven't made it very easy to check with the details on there site, doesn't mention what's reeded and what's not or give much info at all really:

https://www.geiger-edelmetalle.de/eigene_produkte.php/metal/Ag/type/selfproduced

Good point about the packaging as well, it should be from one of those sheets.

I might send Geiger a message and ask wether they have reeded edges and for the dimensions if no one has a 1oz, I'll update if I do.

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[Iceblue]

Gday Ryan, Geiger 1oz bars DO have reeded edges, it is so they cant be shaved, a security measure.

We have sold hundreds of these bars, direct from Geiger mint, all reeded.

The plastic surrounding them can vary depending how your dealer cuts them down, in the full sheets of 20 there is actually quite a lot of room between the bars - lots of wasted space and plastic!!!

Looks legit to me, however if in doubt have it tested.

[Danny-boy]

That's great news for Ryan.

Wonder why the provident ones are shown with a smooth edge?

[Iceblue]

It looks more like an artists image, could be wrong, but actually looks like a CGI image.

All gieger minted items have reeded edges, only the cast has smooth edges.

I think Ryan can rest without stress, maybe weigh it and float test if he is worried.

 

Just to add, geiger make really nice stuff, good price, lots of demand for their items.

The New Southern Cross bullion is being made by them, looks really good.

[CurryMuncher69]

They are infact real also they make 1/z oz coins, which I have. 

 

Geiger silver is actually minted by Leipziger, hence why any minted silver that Leipziger produce, Most of them have the "LEV" pattern for e.g The Noah Ark coins have LEV on them, Same with the Gieger bars. (there are different versions, you have the one where it does not say LEV) 
 

[Ryan AC]

That's good, I'm happy with the weight of it, the sound it makes when pinged and the size looks good so I think it's real then. I don't really want to open it up and acid test it but if I decide the plastic's too irritating then I might, I'll get some gloves and cases first though.

Thanks for everyone's help.

[CurryMuncher69]

can also confirm the plastic sheet that the gieger bar comes in, is the exact same on as the leipzigers

[Shiny]

Yes no problem I have them reeded to.

[derf]

There are several ways to check for authenticity.

 

And there's no need to use acid, which by the way only tests surface material.

 

A bar can be silver coated and thus test "positive" yet still be made from another, cheaper metal. So surface testing is not entirely helpful

 

Ask if somebody has an ultrasound machine.

 

If not, and if you're going to be a keen silver stacker why not buy one.

 

They are on ebay for around seventy quid.

 

Failing this, hunt around for a jeweller or bullion dealer with an XRF machine.

 

Looking at your photos and looking at your photos alone, the bar doesn't look to bad to me.

 

There's a lot of paranoia about fake silver bars.

 

You're more likely to find it in gold bars, and for that matter 5 oz an north of 5 oz.

 

There is a good youtube clip on this. Go to youtube and type in fake gold bars.

 

It's hardly worth the effort in faking 1 oz silver bars, but that's not to say it hasn't happened.

 

I'm told there were some fake 1 oz Sunshine Minting bars around.

 

I've never seen one but that's irrelevant.

 

Sunshine Minting (and others) have since incorporated hologram security measures. Google this and see what this entails.

 

Good luck, and hope you bars are ok.