Perth mint 20g gold bar, fake or authentic?

[Jakub]

Hi, I bought a 20g perth mint gold bar through the Ebay but it looks pretty strange for me. Can you please check the attached scans and dimensions and let me know is look genuine or counterfeit. Thank you Jakub 

 

Card and bar weight: 26.22 g

Card width:54.08 mm

Card Length: 85.14

Card Thickness:1.23 mn

Thickness including bar: 5.20 mm

 

Photo and scans:

https://ibb.co/L0v1msC
https://ibb.co/x70GzMb
https://ibb.co/FKc1t2k

Edited March 1, 2020 by Jakub

[Tn21]

Looks a bit fishy to me if I'm being honest.

I'm no expert. 

From past mistakes I avoid eBay purchases on Au. 

Wait for a few more responses

 

Edited March 1, 2020 by Tn21

[mr-dead]

there are defo fakes available in that type:

 

[Ceaiu]

Found these measurements:

• Manufacturer: Perth Mint
• Weight: 20 grams (0.64 oz)
• Purity: 999,9 (24 carat)
• Width: 18.2mm
• Height: 31.6mm
• Thickness: 2.2mm

Yours look very fat☹

PS: Try to measure the bar, not card.

Edited March 1, 2020 by Ceaiu

[Jakub]

I don't want to take out in case that I need to return it, if none can't confirm authentic in next few day I'll do this

[sixgun]

i don't buy gold bars - there are too many fakes. Even if it isn't fake who eventually buys it off me may well doubt the bar.

I would never ever buy a gold bar off ebay. 
You are in doubt - you will always be in doubt - send it back - don't buy stuff like this off ebay. 
Buy decent coins off the silver forum.

[Ceaiu]

8 minutes ago, Jakub said:

I don't want to take out in case that I need to return it, if none can't confirm authentic in next few day I'll do this

You don't have to take it out to measure lenght and width (approximate).

The best indicator should be thickness though.

[Foe]

1 hour ago, Jakub said:

 20g perth mint gold bar... Ebay... looks  strange.... is genuine or counterfeit...

File INAD and return it to the seller, if they are selling fakes they know it and they will accept it, but you will have to pay the postage back (I think). If they won't I think ebay always side with buyer if there is reasonable doubt.

Never buy high value gold/silver from ebay unless it's from verified sources.

Edited March 1, 2020 by Foe

[Jakub]

26 minutes ago, Ceaiu said:

You don't have to take it out to measure lenght and width (approximate).

The best indicator should be thickness though.

It's looks like have 3.2- 3.3mm Thickness and correct width and heigt

 

[Jakub]

I won't buy again from Ebay,  tomorrow I'll know can they do XRF test in Edinburgh 

[Money2Metal]

Here's a video I found about fake Perth Mint bars. There seems to be lots of them for sale on ebay going back to 2016. It looks like some were listed as fake but now people are selling them passing them off as genuine bars.

https://youtu.be/7ybT1y50WYg

Edited March 1, 2020 by Money2Metal

[Foe]

On another note if you really want to buy from ebay, then buy coins as they ars so much harder to fake cause their design, weight and diameter. Bars with their almost generic letters are easier to fake than elaborate design on coins.

[maminzlaten]

It it looks too thick. The space between the gold bar and the dark edge of the card looks too big, although I am comparing with my 1 oz bar.  I would be surprised if it is not fake.

I checked the bar again and these imperfections where the serial number lies do not exist on mine.

Edited March 2, 2020 by maminzlaten

[Tattoedamat]

Have you checked the wieght?

[Jakub]

2 hours ago, Tattoedamat said:

Have you checked the wieght?

I only checked the weight including card, it's 26.22 g

 

I emailed to the Perth mint to confirm dimensions and serial number,  I'll let you know is fake or not. Thank you for help.

[Tape]

Buy a Sigma Metalytics Precious Metal Verifier like I did and you will never have to worry, it can also check it while in the assay card. Just finding one fake pays for the Verifier.

 

sigma verifier

[gigg25]

This is counterfeit.  I know fakes.  Been working at it for years now.  Thanks,  Earle G.