Guess the die#

[Goldenbear]

Does it look likely this is a 2? I only have an image for now and was trying to figure it out 🧐

[sovereignsteve]

3?

[Goldenbear]

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[sovereignsteve]

5 minutes ago, Goldenbear said:

For this coin Marsh says it only exists with a die# 11 but it looks like there is little chance this is an 11. A 3 was my first impression but then it morphed into a 2 and then a seahorse so....

I hope its easier to tell on the actual coin 🤞

I find that hard to believe, what year is it?

[Goldenbear]

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[Goldenbear]

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[sovereignsteve]

Indeed, that seems to be the case. Therefore you must have another 6/5 struck from another overdated die.

Do you have a good photo of the error? It would be useful to compare this with any other photos of the known coins.

Perhaps @sg86 has some of these to check against.

[Goldenbear]

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[Melon]

I've used advanced geometric mapping software (microsoft paint) to work this out for you.

I started by mapping the outline of the key features from the imprint. Each key node has been marked with a red point of angulation. 

 

From there I utilised advanced cognitive techniques developed through years of intense childhood study to 'join the dots'. The result was clearly intriguing, but further research was needed. 

 

After trawling through archival footage I came across an exact match to this shape, with area coverage analysis showing a 99.8% match. Jackpot, but... it was inverted... I only have two theories, one involving a mirror photograph and the other involving little green men 👽 

 

After extensive analysis, I can confirm this is in fact a £1 coin. Unfortunately due to it's rounded edges, I have deduced it's the pre-March 2017 variety that's no longer in circulation. However fear not, they can still be used in many car park ticket machines or when picking up a trolley in your local supermarket. 🤓

[Goldenbear]

Yep

[silverdocket]

1 hour ago, Melon said:

I've used advanced geometric mapping software (microsoft paint) to work this out for you.

I started by mapping the outline of the key features from the imprint. Each key node has been marked with a red point of angulation. 

 

From there I utilised advanced cognitive techniques developed through years of intense childhood study to 'join the dots'. The result was clearly intriguing, but further research was needed. 

 

After trawling through archival footage I came across an exact match to this shape, with area coverage analysis showing a 99.8% match. Jackpot, but... it was inverted... I only have two theories, one involving a mirror photograph and the other involving little green men 👽 

 

After extensive analysis, I can confirm this is in fact a £1 coin. Unfortunately due to it's rounded edges, I have deduced it's the pre-March 2017 variety that's no longer in circulation. However fear not, they can still be used in many car park ticket machines or when picking up a trolley in your local supermarket. 🤓

 Excellent write-up very funny 

[TheGoldSovereign]

18 hours ago, sovereignsteve said:

Indeed, that seems to be the case. Therefore you must have another 6/5 struck from another overdated die.

Do you have a good photo of the error? It would be useful to compare this with any other photos of the known coins.

Perhaps @sg86 has some of these to check against.

I think the OP is reading something completely wrong, then again he hasn't shared the date or overdate.

The 1866/5 is die 11, this isn't die 11 so not really sure what the question is, there are 80 known dies for 1866, not 1!  https://thegoldsovereign.com/resources/sovereign-die-numbers

edit: from the image it could be anything 1-9 🤣

[Goldenbear]

On 10/12/2019 at 11:56, sg86 said:

I think the OP is reading something completely wrong, then again he hasn't shared the date or overdate.

The 1866/5 is die 11, this isn't die 11 so not really sure what the question is, there are 80 known dies for 1866, not 1!  https://thegoldsovereign.com/resources/sovereign-die-numbers

edit: from the image it could be anything 1-9 🤣

 

[sovereignsteve]

So you are positive it is a 1866/5 overdate with dies number 6, therefore as far as we know, this combination is unknown.

As I said, it would be interesting to compare your obverse with the die 11 one to see if it's the same. Or is it from a different pair of dies.

[TheGoldSovereign]

17 hours ago, Goldenbear said:

No you just didn’t read my post correctly, I clearly already said its a 1866/5 coin and that my confusion was that I could see online that this overdate is believed to be die 11 only. 

As the picture suggested, it was likely not an 11, hence why it was of interest to me in the first place. It turned out to be a 6. Thanks for the help.

No, your OP says nothing about date, and the single post you mentioned the date shows an image of die 11. So excuse me but nowhere did you clearly state it was 100% an overdate 6/5 with a different die number.

I have probably 5 of each die number so could easily help you find answers, there aren't many people here who've seen so many sovereigns, but with that response I won't be, good luck 

[Goldenbear]

Maybe read properly before making pointless responses 

[TheGoldSovereign]

4 minutes ago, Goldenbear said:

 

Maybe read properly before making pointless responses 

🤣 this isn't clear at all, why are you being so defensive and rude??

Based on your posts it probably isn't even the overdate 🤦‍♂️

 

I don't think you understand the point of forums to be honest, I was called to this thread to help and share my knowledge, you are asking for lots of advice so really should be a little more forgiving if you want people to help. If your posts/points were really so clear then there wouldn't be any confusion would there?

[CadmiumGreen]

18 minutes ago, Goldenbear said:

 

Maybe read properly before making pointless responses 

Can you please provide a clear detailed photo of the date on the obverse of the coin? Please.

[Goldenbear]

On 11/12/2019 at 10:23, sg86 said:

🤣 this isn't clear at all, why are you being such a muppet?

Only to you

[TheGoldSovereign]

Just now, Goldenbear said:

Only to you.... if you read the others posts and responses rather then assumed that it cant be 66/5 coin becuase its not die 11, you might have actually contributed something to the thread. 

😴

It's fine, i'll be sure to never give you advice again, your loss surely not mine

 

[Goldenbear]

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[Melon]

12 hours ago, sg86 said:

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It's fine, i'll be sure to never give you advice again, your loss surely not mine

 

 

10 hours ago, Goldenbear said:

The loss of advice from a man who calls people names on forums then trys to sneakily edit his old posts to make himself look more civilised...I think i’ll live with it.

 

Come on gentleman, shake hands and make up. Just a misunderstanding, no need to escalate. 

@Goldenbear are you planning to share pics of the coin? Would be interesting to get peoples thoughts if they can see the full coin and draw their own conclusions. 

[TheGoldSovereign]

18 hours ago, Goldenbear said:

The loss of advice from a man who calls people names on forums then trys to sneakily edit his old posts to make himself look more civilised...I think i’ll live with it.

Yes great, ill leave the guessing game of figuring out your fuzzy pictures to others 🤣😅

[Goldenbear]

When you are buying a coin you get the pictures that are given. This is why I asked for ‘an opinion’ from others because I only had the poor quality image to go on. If it was clear or I had the coin myself at the time I wouldn’t have come here to ask for an opinion in the first place.

The unhelpful comments that some people brought to the thread that never intended to contribute to the original post but to make it a thread to entertain themselves do not interest me and these people make it less likely someone will ask for information or advice. They are not helpful. If someone wanted more information about the coin they could have asked a question like @sovereignsteve did. For anyone that was genuinely interested in the coin and its variation I was happy to share information with and will do so further. As this thread has been essentially hijacked as a playground for a few members I will do this via pm however.

If a moderator wants to scrap this thread then they can as its not really showcasing anything positive or helpful and besides the first few comments has not been on topic.

[Roy]

3 minutes ago, Goldenbear said:

This is why I asked for ‘an opinion’ from others because I only had the poor quality image to go on. If it was clear or I had the coin myself at the time I wouldn’t have come here to ask for an opinion in the first place.

But a poor quality image is all that we have to go on! Do you think we can read poor quality images better than you? 😄

If the seller can only offer a poor quality image, perhaps walk away. If you fancy taking a risk, good luck, you might have stumbled upon something interesting.

Nobody will offer advice without a clear conscience. If it's the right price, you have the stomach (and curiosity!), go for it.

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