Help me and tell me if this coin looks real

[Toshunya86]

Hi all ,

I am trying a new ad website in an obscure part of Europe , I have seen this coin on sale . Since I am no expert on silver and on british coins , I would kindly ask you if this is a blatant fake or not

 

 

I am under the impression that it s a real one. I am not sure which mint it is from. If the coin is not fake , i will give it a go , at how much would you buy it as per today's rate (roughly) so i can have a rather preferable deal ( I am too greedy but would be ok to pay slightly less market value) .

[Schnitzel]

Seems to be Calcutta mint as there is no mintmark that I can see. I am however notoriously bad at judging fakes and what not... But doesn't it seem rather weakly struck the ARD VII in the name and G & EM in KING AND EMPEROR but not the rim on the same places?

Other than that I would suggest it's been cleaned by the looks of it... But there are likely others knowing this better  

[Toshunya86]

Thanks... I have never studied any sort of english coins apart from the usual gold sovereign from long ago , so i let the specialists decide for me

[Seasider]

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces3722.html

This page may help.

It gives a bullion value of £4.52 but they usually go for more than twice that.

Like @Schnitzel I am no good at judging fakes but he makes some good points about wear.  and it looks to have been cleaned with a brillo pad.

[Toshunya86]

thanks @Seasider i ve seen that page already. But you can easily detect something wrong if you know the coin inside out which is not my case. A few more opinions from other forum members and i will decide to start negotiations or not 

[musketsmoke]

hi if you look on numista they usually have pictures that give you info on weather a coin is real or not by tiny little marks by there mint which

forgers dont do coz it difficult to replicate

 them marks are the ones to look for 

[999magnum]

Firstly get a magnet on it. Then Weigh and measure the coin. This is the best way to spot fakes when you're just not sure.

 

I thought  the op had this coin in hand. Sorry I'm half in the bag.

[ilovesilverireallydo]

On 10/11/2019 at 13:36, Toshunya86 said:

Hi all ,

I am trying a new ad website in an obscure part of Europe , I have seen this coin on sale . Since I am no expert on silver and on british coins , I would kindly ask you if this is a blatant fake or not

 

 

I am under the impression that it s a real one. I am not sure which mint it is from. If the coin is not fake , i will give it a go , at how much would you buy it as per today's rate (roughly) so i can have a rather preferable deal ( I am too greedy but would be ok to pay slightly less market value) .

As a person that collects these, this coins doesn’t look genuine to me, just FYI there are tonnes of real silver, both 999 and 925 purity copies of it made even now in India and sold by bullion dealers 

1. The fine scratches you see aren’t natural wear, looks more like the type is steelwool scratches you see on home “antiqued” coins. 
2. see the wear on the wording but none on the rim around the wording. That again isn’t natural- the wear should be even. 

[ilovesilverireallydo]

Here is a genuine circulated one with natural wear and tear I picked up just today. Even in the s****** light you can see the details and consistency in wear.

[ilovesilverireallydo]

Now here is a rather high end copy I picked up early this year when I was out there- in pure silver. 
 

mine is a “cast” copy. Not created to fool people by leaving the intentional imperfections in place. 
 

there are other outfits there that create dies to recreate as perfect a copy as possible. 

[999magnum]

5 minutes ago, ilovesilverireallydo said:

Now here is a rather high end copy I picked up early this year when I was out there- in pure silver. 
 

mine is a “cast” copy. Not created to fool people by leaving the intentional imperfections in place. 
 

there are other outfits there that create dies to recreate as perfect a copy as possible. 

This is in .999FS?

 

[ilovesilverireallydo]

Just now, 999magnum said:

 

Yep

[999magnum]

Just now, ilovesilverireallydo said:

Yep

That's some cool stuff!

[Toshunya86]

Thank you all .

I stay away from the buy ! It s not a coin I particularly look for anyway 

[SilverGameOfThrones]

Why do u need to guess ?? There is nothing tricky about fake silver

All can be traced with proper education and tools especially for beginners 

There are different ways to identify fake silver   ,  here is my experience,   enjoy and comment if u like  

 

[Schnitzel]

Fake silver is tricky from time to time... I just yesterday found out that a Spanish 20 reales 1894 that I purchased veeeery early in my collecting days have turned out fake. 😛 Failed the magnet test as it slid of faster then I placed it almost and ways a full five (5!!!) grams less than it should 😛 On the positive note, it's the only fake I found in my collection so far  So this forum is good as it was here I learned to look for fakes