1887 & 1893 Five Sovereign Fake or Not?

[1817Karl]

Fake or not... I wonder what peeps think of these two? Images not the sharpest, but best I have at the moment. 

 

[dicker]

Hi

I am afraid that the photos are not clear enough to really for me to see.  
 

Chards put together this excellent video on  detecting counterfeit 1887 Quintuples

From what I have seen, there are more counterfeit varieties than the one in the below video so be very careful.  
 

Best

Dicker

 

[1817Karl]

2 hours ago, dicker said:

Hi

I am afraid that the photos are not clear enough to really for me to see.  
 

Chards put together this excellent video on  detecting counterfeit 1887 Quintuples

From what I have seen, there are more counterfeit varieties than the one in the below video so be very careful.  
 

Best

Dicker

 

Many thanks, I have seen this video before. I found it quite confusing and not that helpful though...

[Notafront4adragon]

Are these from eBay? I just won't buy 1887 coins from there, too many high quality fakes. Morgan dollars and now any carded gold bars are also on the don't buy list.  

 

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Ps no idea if the above is fake though. 

[neilsmithcoins]

Hello, Unfortunately in my opinion and 30 years of dealing, they both look counterfeit on the photographs to me, the colour looks wrong, to pale yellow as does the definition. The surfaces look mushy, St.George's six pack doesn't show a any definition nor does the bottom horse's hoof and head. This is just my opinion.

 

Regards,

Neilsmithcoins

[sovereignsteve]

Find a good photo of a genuine 1887 £5 and compare. I find that the lower tail features tend to be a tell for most fakes.

IIRC the Chards video just focuses on small marks that originate from the dies used for one type of fake. There are many others.

[1817Karl]

10 hours ago, Notafront4adragon said:

Are these from eBay? I just won't buy 1887 coins from there, too many high quality fakes. Morgan dollars and now any carded gold bars are also on the don't buy list.  

 

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Ps no idea if the above is fake though. 

Hi. No, not from Ebay, been in a family friends collection for 30 years or so. 

[1817Karl]

8 hours ago, neilsmithcoins said:

Hello, Unfortunately in my opinion and 30 years of dealing, they both look counterfeit on the photographs to me, the colour looks wrong, to pale yellow as does the definition. The surfaces look mushy, St.George's six pack doesn't show a any definition nor does the bottom horse's hoof and head. This is just my opinion.

 

Regards,

Neilsmithcoins

Neil. I'm inclined to agree, they don't just look right, they look a little one dimensional, but they are difficulty to call.  Invested £50 to have then graded so lets see... I'll keep you posted. Karl

[1817Karl]

8 hours ago, sovereignsteve said:

Find a good photo of a genuine 1887 £5 and compare. I find that the lower tail features tend to be a tell for most fakes.

IIRC the Chards video just focuses on small marks that originate from the dies used for one type of fake. There are many others.

Yes, completely agree... We'll see what the outcome of grading brings.