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I have read Adam Smith unlike most and see that there has been very little free markets in the UK or the west, most people blame the bottom but here is the killer the fact is the City of London looks after its self at the expense of everyone else it makes sure it has all the advantages very little free markets there if you read Adam Smith's full books not the summary book. 

You ask if I am Anti capitalist my answer is I am a free marketeer if that makes sense to you. 

Again I point to my post above about a Bismarck was a German liberal not Socialist who realised the health of the German countryman made a difference in productivity!!!  Also my point about a rich city and human poo shows how all for one's self is stupid even for a free marketeer, for the health of the his own family a free maketeer would invest in a clean area or maybe that's just me you might be happy living with it. 

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The value of Sterling has dropped what 20%? People's incomes on average have not gone up anywhere near that, add in the last few decades of no real wage inflation something is wrong. Somewhere between the myth of falling cost of services and goods and the reality of wage deflation, there is a thief to be found. A wealth transfer, reverse Robin Hood going on. The bail out were just the continuation of theft that has been going on for decades. This would not have been possible under a gold standard, which explains perhaps why wage stagnation began in the 70's. 

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2 hours ago, Pipers said:

I have read Adam Smith unlike most and see that there has been very little free markets in the UK or the west, most people blame the bottom but here is the killer the fact is the City of London looks after its self at the expense of everyone else it makes sure it has all the advantages very little free markets there if you read Adam Smith's full books not the summary book. 

You ask if I am Anti capitalist my answer is I am a free marketeer if that makes sense to you. 

Again I point to my post above about a Bismarck was a German liberal not Socialist who realised the health of the German countryman made a difference in productivity!!!  Also my point about a rich city and human poo shows how all for one's self is stupid even for a free marketeer, for the health of the his own family a free maketeer would invest in a clean area or maybe that's just me you might be happy living with it. 

“Unlike most.....” oh the intelligensia...... us mere mortals are way beneath such massive brains and indeed we have problems reading because we are told so by such luminaries as above....ever tried asking a question rather than proclaiming omnipotence ?

 

p.s. Let’s go there...it’s too easy... Hitler was a Socialist.....err I mean a workers party....dont reply to me pipers, just read with your enormous brain that us mere plebs could never hope to reach the heights to which you proclaim.....etc etc :)

https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

 

Free marketeer...good. That is just a Capitalist trying to be cool by using words.

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12 hours ago, Pipers said:

The German public are going to be angry with this, for all of there lives they have been told to save in the bank only to see negative rates.  Greece and the way it was treated was one of the main reasons I voted to leave. It should of been obvious to anyone watching as Greece fell apart all the EU were interested in were the Banks /corporation's etc and did not give a fig about the Greek people.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2019/04/15/mapping-san-franciscos-human-waste-challenge-132562-case-reports-since-2008/?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi0g8O8s8_kAhWFQkEAHeS5DP8Q9QF6BAgLEAI#2401a74e5ea5

Saw this on the Keiser report after reading your post it reminded me of what decades of right wing capitalism can do.Just a taster I wonder where it all came from?

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12 hours ago, Oldun said:

Could you provide a summary of your opinion before I comment as I am not sure what part of the link you are referring to ?

 

If you are trying to paint a connection between capitalism and poop in one city, for example, as concrete evidence of a failure of “right wing capitalism”, that is very very tenuous connection indeed and I would require  much much more research from you to prove such a quite frankly ludicrous connection, in my opinion,  but I would ask for your thoughts first as to your intention in case I have misread it :)

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11 hours ago, Pipers said:

Sorry you just made me laugh. 

As you probably know in GB before WW1 the lower class were kept in a state of semi starvation, we know that through our history books and also proof comes from a soldiers training for WW1 The German recruit was far more fit heavier and could go straight into training, while a British recruit could not be would need feeding up and also fitness training.  Bismarck in Germany had realised if the German population were fed and were fit then they would be more productive plus happier, this was carried on. while in the in GB a different method was used, keep them hungry and fighting each other.  Also the record books show the lower class in GB  men were under size and had not grown through malnutrition fact. 

Decades of Labour socialist, well I cannot argue against decades of misspent money and electorate bribes.  For a start the Conservative party have been in power for 3/4 of the time and they have cut tax revenue and borrowed big George Osborne borrowed more than anyone else ever! 

You are painting socialism with all the ills of our country, I thought your were joking as we have not had a social democratic Government since 1970s, Blair/Brown being a Neo Liberal Government.  So I pointed to a story that I saw on the Keiser report about human poo in a rich City, it shows  capitalism for what it is including the article!  I can loosly link it to GB before WW1 where the city in the USA is very rich though the poor do not even have the very basics not even somewhere to do a poo .  If you cannot see the article for what it is then well. 

 

 

I am no friend of labour and no friend of the Conservative party

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11 hours ago, Oldun said:

You are coming across as anti capitalist. Could you confirm this so I can argue with you properly. ? 

As for “painting socialism with.....the ills” comment, I am afraid this shows you cherry pick and omit what I posted to suit your argument.

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6 hours ago, Pipers said:

I have read Adam Smith unlike most and see that there has been very little free markets in the UK or the west, most people blame the bottom but here is the killer the fact is the City of London looks after its self at the expense of everyone else it makes sure it has all the advantages very little free markets there if you read Adam Smith's full books not the summary book. 

You ask if I am Anti capitalist my answer is I am a free marketeer if that makes sense to you. 

Again I point to my post above about a Bismarck was a German liberal not Socialist who realised the health of the German countryman made a difference in productivity!!!  Also my point about a rich city and human poo shows how all for one's self is stupid even for a free marketeer, for the health of the his own family a free maketeer would invest in a clean area or maybe that's just me you might be happy living with it. 

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3 hours ago, Oldun said:

“Unlike most.....” oh the intelligensia...... us mere mortals are way beneath such massive brains and indeed we have problems reading because we are told so by such luminaries as above....ever tried asking a question rather than proclaiming omnipotence ?

 

p.s. Let’s go there...it’s too easy... Hitler was a Socialist.....err I mean a workers party....dont reply to me pipers, just read with your enormous brain that us mere plebs could never hope to reach the heights to which you proclaim.....etc etc :)

https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

 

Free marketeer...good. That is just a Capitalist trying to be cool by using words.

I thought we all had brains the same size give or take.  'Us mere mortals are way beneath such massive brains ' you made this quote as a sly comment because you didn',t like my answer to you, you had your answer which you clearly understood as you quoted in your answer and then you made comment in which you try to make me look like a d-ckhead.  You also go on to suggest I believe I believe I have unlimited power and suggest I am a socialist by taginge the Nazis socialists link. Do you honestly think I haven't read up about Hitler and Mussolini and made my own mind up, or did you do it for others to read and not to dare to post against you or have an alternative view.

You stated that decades of socialism and linking it to Labour I pointed out that 3/4 of the time the conservative party hold power and I was going to say they give tax break to there friends the country cannot afford to get re elected I would never say the conservative party are socialist and I have voted for them, maybe you think differently.

Your construction of sentences and use of words tells me you are education is well above mine and your comments suggests you believe you are superior and I should keep quite. 

Oh for anyone else who didn't know who Otto Von Bismarck was
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck

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2 hours ago, KDave said:

Hitler was a socialist? I guess that's why the labour party hates jews, never understood that one until now. Yet nationalism takes the Nazi stigma, funny that. 

 Labour is like a pendulum, it swings from one extreme to the next. From Tony Blair, "modern Labour" to Corbyn McDonnell, Ultra Stalin style Labour, I don't know who in their right mind would vote for them at the moment.

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Just now, Xander said:

 Labour is like a pendulum, it swings from one extreme to the next. From Tony Blair, "modern Labour" to Corbyn McDonnell, Ultra Stalin style Labour, I don't know who in their right mind would vote for them at the moment.

Near me the only people who seem to be voting for them are the old ex miners who have always voted for them and probably don't even know what their current policies are and some soyboy looking types going around canvassing.

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The EU elections broke the stanglehold on many labour voters, people who voted labour all their life because their grandad's cat voted labour, instead voted for the Brexit party. Now those people can vote for whoever they want, the mental block is gone, the emotional irrational loyalty is broken, the tradition is good and dead - this is excellent as the result will be less safe seats and more voter engagement in theory. 

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Some of the issues exposed by Brexit are down to the safe seats and tribal voting that has allowed the main parties to be infiltrated and hijacked over time. The clothes of labour, tory and lib dem are being worn by communists, globalists and corporatists respectively, no where is the british public actually represented, the parties only represent the interest of their owners and backers. The voters are the vehicle only, hence why labour can change its principles whenever it wants on Brexit, why the liberal democrats campaign to overturn a democratic vote and why the conservatives support destruction of social fabric via progressive social policies a direction that started under new labour. Democracy needs some serious work in the UK and it all starts with the voters. They get the government they deserve. UKIP were the last real chance for change in the democratic system but were utterly destroyed by the MSM and overtaken by controlled opposition Nigel farage's Brexit party. Expect the same tactics to occur to other parties in the future if anyone else gains ground on the lib/lab/con. 

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5 minutes ago, KDave said:

The EU elections broke the stanglehold on many labour voters, people who voted labour all their life because their grandad's cat voted labour, instead voted for the Brexit party. Now those people can vote for whoever they want, the mental block is gone, the emotional irrational loyalty is broken, the tradition is good and dead - this is excellent as the result will be less safe seats and more voter engagement in theory. 

I think most of these old miners that I have a drink in the pub with, live under a rock or in the pub most of the time, the TV is for sport results for the betting shop only :lol:

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7 minutes ago, SILVERFINGER said:

I think most of these old miners that I have a drink in the pub with, live under a rock or in the pub most of the time, the TV is for sport results for the betting shop only :lol:

As far as these guys are concerned if it wears a Donkey Jacket they vote for it.

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4 minutes ago, KDave said:

Some of the issues exposed by Brexit are down to the safe seats and tribal voting that has allowed the main parties to be infiltrated and hijacked over time. The clothes of labour, tory and lib dem are being worn by communists, globalists and corporatists respectively, no where is the british public actually represented, the parties only represent the interest of their owners and backers. The voters are the vehicle only, hence why labour can change its principles whenever it wants on Brexit, why the liberal democrats campaign to overturn a democratic vote and why the conservatives support destruction of social fabric via progressive social policies a direction that started under new labour. Democracy needs some serious work in the UK and it all starts with the voters. They get the government they deserve. UKIP were the last real chance for change in the democratic system but were utterly destroyed by the MSM and overtaken by controlled opposition Nigel farage's Brexit party. Expect the same tactics to occur to other parties in the future if anyone else gains ground on the lib/lab/con. 

I believe a lot of people have realised we live in a news bias uk now, but they are not aware how to get unbais news!

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6 hours ago, Pipers said:

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I thought we all had brains the same size give or take.  'Us mere mortals are way beneath such massive brains ' you made this quote as a sly comment because you didn',t like my answer to you, you had your answer which you clearly understood as you quoted in your answer and then you made comment in which you try to make me look like a d-ckhead.  You also go on to suggest I believe I believe I have unlimited power and suggest I am a socialist by taginge the Nazis socialists link. Do you honestly think I haven't read up about Hitler and Mussolini and made my own mind up, or did you do it for others to read and not to dare to post against you or have an alternative view.

You stated that decades of socialism and linking it to Labour I pointed out that 3/4 of the time the conservative party hold power and I was going to say they give tax break to there friends the country cannot afford to get re elected I would never say the conservative party are socialist and I have voted for them, maybe you think differently.

Your construction of sentences and use of words tells me you are education is well above mine and your comments suggests you believe you are superior and I should keep quite. 

Oh for anyone else who didn't know who Otto Von Bismarck was
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck

3/4s of what time ? Easy to prove points when the timeframe is the one you decide.

Plus, you didn’t respond to my % enquiry.....

“Left-wing zealots have often been prepared to ride roughshod over due process and basic considerations of fairness when they think they can get away with it. For them the ends always seems to justify the means. That is precisely how their predecessors came to create the gulag.”

I think you are intransigent and so am I on this one. Let’s not bore the piss out of other members here with our playground spat anymore. As for the sly...anyone else who doesn’t know...comment, once again....we are not worthy of your massive brain, for so little do we know and we thank thee.for thy link.

As for Hitler....the REAL question as to whether he was socialist would be, “When do you mean?” but alas, you never got that far to considering such a question as the debate continued....nevermind. 

Back to Brexit and getting away from the dictates of a rapidly declining and dangerously in debt and continuing to print currency EU. 

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Yup, and they do not realise that we are witnessing the end of socialism with its tenet of spending other people’s money til they run out of it....then the “adults” have to come in, be unpopular, and try to balance the books.....it will be like the 70s again on steroids and I was there.....I know exactly what is coming down the pipeline and remainers just do not seem to comprehend...or maybe they do and still want to stay in the eu and give away all responsibility ? I do not.....

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