Is this a fake

[StackingItAll]

Hey all following on from a previous post I have a very similar looking coin and now have concerns. New magnet coming tomorrow to test but looks like wouldn't add much. What do you think fake?

[sovereignsteve]

I don't have any of these to compare with but it just looks wrong to me.

Why wouldn't a new neodymium magnet help? If it's fake it's likely to be non-silver so the magnet will tell you.

[StackingItAll]

Actually the more i look the more i dont think it is ignore this thread nothing to see here

 

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Just now, sovereignsteve said:

I don't have any of these to compare with but it just looks wrong to me.

Why wouldn't a new neodymium magnet help? If it's fake it's likely to be non-silver so the magnet will tell you.

Going on another post they can be produced in china to show no magnetism 😕

[sovereignsteve]

1 minute ago, Willike said:

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Going on another post they can be produced in china to show no magnetism 😕

I haven't seen that post but it's not the presence or lack of magnetism that's the telling factor, it's the type or degree of it.

I would be interested to know if those naughty Chinese fakers are able to exactly mimic silver's magnetic properties using non PM metals.

[StackingItAll]

3 minutes ago, sovereignsteve said:

I haven't seen that post but it's not the presence or lack of magnetism that's the telling factor, it's the type or degree of it.

I would be interested to know if those naughty Chinese fakers are able to exactly mimic silver's magnetic properties using non PM metals.

I agree that is a game changer isn't it ?

[danmc82]

Where did you get it from?

[HelpingHands]

I think maples have more of a matt look.

Have you got a photo of the other side?  If not, what year is it?

[Roy]

Here is a real milk spotted one

They added some security features but I'm not sure which year.

[danmc82]

To me they look odd without the engraved lines.

[Bullionaire]

30 minutes ago, Willike said:

Hey all following on from a previous post I have a very similar looking coin and now have concerns. New magnet coming tomorrow to test but looks like wouldn't add much. What do you think fake?

Looks fine to me. I've just compared with some of mine that I've bought from reputable dealers and I can't see any differences.

 

That one the other day was very obviously different with a much more raised and matt leaf, with fever details like the veins on the leaf

[Seasider]

Looks like an older version.  It may even have an acceptable version of the Queen's head on the other side.

[StackingItAll]

1 minute ago, Bullionaire said:

Looks fine to me. I've just compared with some of mine that I've bought from reputable dealers and I can't see any differences.

 

That one the other day was very obviously different with a much more raised and matt leaf, with fever details like the veins on the leaf

Yeah its very different the other one this was an ebay purchase hence concern.

[sixgun]

19 minutes ago, Willike said:

Yeah its very different the other one this was an ebay purchase hence concern.

Put photos of what you think is a genuine one and this one side-by-side on the same photo - do both sides. It is helpful to members to see this sort of thing. From your photo it looks ok to me but you say side-by-side in real life it looks very different.

[StackingItAll]

Left is one I had issue with but one in bright is totally different coin 😕

[sixgun]

We need the other side of the coins as well.

[StackingItAll]

@sixgun

 

[sixgun]

As i expected - the dates are very different. This is why i was pressing to see the obverse side. The coins are different now which is why they look different. The coin looks good to me.

[StackingItAll]

5 minutes ago, sixgun said:

As i expected - the dates are very different. This is why i was pressing to see the obverse side. The coins are different now which is why they look different. The coin looks good to me.

Yeah what i expected the other coin on different post is very very different.

[MancunianStacker]

I guess older coins without any modern anti counterfeiting security measures would be easier to fake though. Why would you fake a 2018 coin when you could fake a 1990s coin so much easier.

For peace of mind a new coin maybe?

[lmwstamps]

It looks good to me.  The versions with the radial lines only started in 2014 (I think).  Here's my 1994 Maple leaf for comparison.

[StackingItAll]

2 minutes ago, lmwstamps said:

It looks good to me.  The versions with the radial lines only started in 2014 (I think).  Here's my 1994 Maple leaf for comparison.

Yep im happy

[AppleZippoandMetronome]

Looks absolutely fine to me. Got the right amount of detail in that maple leaf. I've got a few from 94 if you want more comparison pics. The radial lines were added in 2014 as @lmwstamps said - previous to this they had this more plain design. If you compare the maple leaf in this one to the one in the fake thread you can very clearly see the difference. The maple leaf in the other thread lacks any fine detail - it is really quite crude.

[SouthCoastInvestor]

magnet test + dimension check with calipers + weight check with high-precision scale + specific gravity test should provide a very high degree of certainty?

[Lowlow]

On 14/10/2018 at 15:15, SouthCoastInvestor said:

magnet test + dimension check with calipers + weight check with high-precision scale + specific gravity test should provide a very high degree of certainty?

Which brings up the question ... if a fake coin could pass all of those tests, and neither the buyer or seller could tell the difference, at that point by any reasonable measure, is it even "fake" anymore ?  I mean you'd basically have to send it to a lab to figure out that it was fake if it could pass all of those tests, and no reasonable person is going to do that.  Edit -- what I mean is that if a coin passes all of those tests, it would probably circulate for centuries and nobody would ever know it wasn't real, which basically means it might as well BE real.

[AppleZippoandMetronome]

16 minutes ago, Lowlow said:

Which brings up the question ... if a fake coin could pass all of those tests, and neither the buyer or seller could tell the difference, at that point by any reasonable measure, is it even "fake" anymore ?  I mean you'd basically have to send it to a lab to figure out that it was fake if it could pass all of those tests, and no reasonable person is going to do that.  Edit -- what I mean is that if a coin passes all of those tests, it would probably circulate for centuries and nobody would ever know it wasn't real, which basically means it might as well BE real.

I think you are correct. It would work the same way it came to with the old pound coins over here. There were so many fakes circulating that we kept using and banks/shops kept accepting. The only thing the mints making coins can do is try to keep ahead enough to make it as difficult for counterfeiters as possible though of course that isn't helpful for anything other than what is being currently produced and even then only until the counterfeiters catch up.