20 Franc Coins Of The LMU

[Caratacus]

On 03/06/2019 at 13:49, whuamai said:

Made some pictures today when I visited my coins in the Bank.

Very bad light in the basement so the pictures didn't come out very well. In real they look alot better.

 

20 Lire Italy 1923, 1 year type, Mintage 20k

 

 

40 Lire Maria Luigia 1815, two year type, Mintage 220 K

40 Lire Napoleon 1814, Mintage 264 K

 

 

 

 

20 Pesetas 1889,  three year type, Mintage 875 K

20 Pesetas 1899, two year type, Mintage  2,1 Million, many melted down

10 Pesetas 1878 (EMM), two year type, Mintage 90 K

20 Franga Skanderbeg 1927, two year type, Mintage 5 K

20 Franga Amet Zogu 1927, two year type, Mintage 6K 

 

Thanks for sharing these pictures - So few beards on gold coins!!!

Edited June 16, 2019 by Caratacus

[ilovesilverireallydo]

Couple of nice additions today. I know the 20marks aren’t LMU but it’s a nice coin  

the Albert french text was a steal at 2% over spot. 

[AlL]

nice

 

[ilovesilverireallydo]

Always worth calling HGM! Apart from some napoleons, they had a 95 Angel. Although it’s a big mintage, still harder to get reasonably so grabbed it! Should arrive Friday hopefully in good condition 

[ilovesilverireallydo]

HGM Angel here  not pristine but happy to have it.

[Kookaburracollector]

17 minutes ago, ilovesilverireallydo said:

HGM Angel here  not pristine but happy to have it.

If you ever see another 1896, and it has the Torch engravers mark (not fasces,axe) then buy it...it’s worth double!

[ilovesilverireallydo]

Anyone ever bought one of the Commemorative modern proofs? Spotted this. Looks nice

[ilovesilverireallydo]

Have acquired a circulated Hamburg 20 Franc from a forum member. 

its not pristine but still hard to get at below £300. Not exactly an LMU but a good coin in the same calibration I would say.

[augur]

This 1888 is in a pretty good nick considering that the fields wear quite easily due to the flat design and rim

[whuamai]

Nice one!

Those Austrian and Hungarian Florins are very nice to pick up. There are plenty of different years with quite low mintages compared to the most other french francs.

I am trying to gather many different dates, with patience the collection grows over time while paying only fairly small premiums.

[ilovesilverireallydo]

Just now, whuamai said:

Nice one!

Those Austrian and Hungarian Florins are very nice to pick up. There are plenty of different years with quite low mintages compared to the most other french francs.

I am trying to gather many different dates, with patience the collection grows over time while paying only fairly small premiums.

I am desperate to start a date run of them. I absolutely love the austrian gold coins florins and ducats. I just picked up a 4 ducat under spot so was chuffed with that.  

[augur]

6 minutes ago, ilovesilverireallydo said:

I just picked up a 4 ducat under spot so was chuffed with that.  

Dukatengold is the term that has been coined in German for the special rich alloy used for ducats (23.6 carat or .986 gold)

well done on that one!

[ilovesilverireallydo]

33 minutes ago, augur said:

Dukatengold is the term that has been coined in German for the special rich alloy used for ducats (23.6 carat or .986 gold)

well done on that one!

Aye was chuffed. Thing of beauty. Here it is next to a 1 ducat. Even as restrikes they are coins worth having. 

[augur]

Also thanks to @whuamai for hooking me up with a german contact who sold this 5 Venezolanos from a spanish source. 

5 Venezolanos = 25 Bolivares/Francs

[augur]

My first circulation 20 Swiss Franc (bought at 30% below spot!)

[Kookaburracollector]

Jammy dog you are!

😃 😃 😃!

[augur]

1866 Napoleon III 20 Francs and its plethora of Roman symbology 

[augur]

I know it's just a weak strike but this 1912 20 Bolivares looks like an "open O"

 

here for comparison a normal O

[gustavus]

Any good source where read about 20 lires (italy) bit more?

[augur]

I wonder if someby at La Poste went through the effort to sum up those stamps since a lot are still in French Francs and not in Euros...

Anyway, this collage contained an overstrike overload 20 Lire, the 1877. This one is not listed in numista ( @gustavus only resource I would know of) and I can blame @whuamai who brought this coin to my attention:

 

double 77 on the obverse 

and double L on the reverse 

[5huggy]

3 minutes ago, augur said:

I wonder if someby at La Poste went through the effort to sum up those stamps since a lot are still in French Francs and not in Euros...

Anyway, this collage contained an overstrike overload 20 Lire, the 1877. This one is not listed in numista ( @gustavus only resource I would know of) and I can blame @whuamai who brought this coin to my attention:

 

double 77 on the obverse 

and double L on the reverse 

Excellent Fellow that @whuamai  - its clearly a serious DOSe of overstrike!!

nice also to see some else likes using numista!

[Kookaburracollector]

All a bit too quiet on this thread..so an excuse to post something I welcome..my first graded 20 Francs coin..and very happy with it I am too. 

 

[Kookaburracollector]

@whuamai you have a lot to answer for! 😂!

Back in June, I was admiring your beautiful Skanderbegu thinking..I need to get one of those.

After 3 months of looking..I have managed to grab one (as seen on Today I received)

As this thread tends to lean on the side of educational, I asked my good friend (and spender of all my money) @augur what he knows about this coin..and this is what he said...

“Zog I, King of the Albanians (1895–1961), born Ahmet Muhtar Zogolli, taking the surname Zogu in 1922, was the leader of Albania from 1922 to 1939. He first served as Prime Minister of Albania (1922–1924), then as President (1925–1928), and finally as the first and only King (1928–1939).

This type was struck for Albania 1926-27 at the Rome mint to the standard of the French 20 francs d'or, even tho France had ceased striking such coins in 1914.

The Franga is an obsolete unit of currency, equal to 5 lek, used in the Albanian Republic and Albanian Kingdom under Zogu. Coins denominated in Franga were in use from 1926 until 1939.

Engraver: Giuseppe Romagnoli

George Castriot (1405–1468), known as Skanderbeg (from Turkish Iskender Bey, meaning “Lord Alexander”, or “Leader Alexander”), was an Albanian nobleman and military commander who led a rebellion against the Ottoman Empire in what is today Albania and North Macedonia.

A member of the noble Castriot family, he was sent to the Ottoman court as part of the Devshirme, where he was educated and entered the service of the Ottoman sultan for the next twenty years. He rose through the ranks, culminating in the appointment as sanjakbey (governor) of the Sanjak of Dibra in 1440. In 1443, he deserted the Ottomans during the Battle of Niš and became the ruler of Krujë, Svetigrad, and Modrič. In 1444, he was appointed the chief commander of the short-lived League of Lezhë that consolidated nobility throughout what is today Northern Albania. Thus, for the first time Albania was united under a single leader. Skanderbeg's rebellion was not a general uprising of Albanians, because he did not gain support in the Venetian-controlled north or in the Ottoman-controlled south. His followers included, apart from Albanians, also Slavs, Vlachs, and Greeks. Despite this military valor he was not able to do more than to hold his own possessions within the very small area in nowadays northern Albania where almost all of his victories against the Ottomans took place. Skanderbeg's military skills presented a major obstacle to Ottoman expansion, and he was considered by many in western Europe to be a model of Christian resistance against Muslims. For 25 years, from 1443 to 1468, Skanderbeg's 10,000 man army marched through Ottoman territory winning against consistently larger and better supplied Ottoman forces, for which he was admired.

Skanderbeg always signed himself in Latin: Dominus Albaniae ("Lord of Albania"). In 1460–61, he participated in Italy's civil wars in support of Ferdinand I of Naples. In 1463, he became the chief commander of the crusading forces of Pope Pius II, but the Pope died while the armies were still gathering. Together with Venetians he fought against the Ottomans during the Ottoman–Venetian War (1463–1479) until his death in January 1468. He ranks high in that military history, as the most persistent opponent of the Ottoman Empire in its heyday who was also ever-victorious.

Depicts the Lion of Saint Mark dividing value, country name above, mintmark and date below.

The Reverse..

The Lion of Saint Mark, representing the evangelist St Mark, pictured in the form of a winged lion holding a Bible, is the symbol of the city of Venice and formerly of the Venetian Republic.

The Venetian lion appears in two distinct forms. One is as a winged animal resting on water, to symbolise dominance over the seas, holding St. Mark’s Gospel under a front paw. The other form is known as the lion “in moleca”, in the form of a crab. Here the lion is depicted full-faced with its wings circled around the head resembling the claws of a crustacean. It is emerging from water, so that the lion “in moleca” is associated with the lagoon and the city, whereas the standing winged lion is thought to be more associated with Venetian territory around the Mediterran.

By the way..When I said I had to get one...I lied...I had to get two...a fine example of the1927 has already been sourced! Pictures to follow in a few weeks!

[augur]

My Alzheimer’s must be getting worse: i cannot recollect when i said all that 🤔 

Those Skanderbegu Frangas are rare and dear, especially the 1926 is hard to track down. Congratulations @Kookaburracollector on securing this fine example!

Still waiting for the day that someone posts a 1912 20 Perpera on this thread. 

[Kookaburracollector]

31 minutes ago, augur said:

My Alzheimer’s must be getting worse: i cannot recollect when i said all that 🤔 

Still waiting for the day that someone posts a 1912 20 Perpera on this thread. 

Ummm..I could be wrong (most probable answer), but I thought the 20 Perpera from Montenegro was only minted in 1910, and there is no 1912.?.....I hear Ibruprofen helps fight Alzheimer’s @augur... shall I send you some ?

PS Don’t forget you owe me £20,000!😃💰