20 Franc Coins Of The LMU

[ilovesilverireallydo]

Not all 20fr  but happy to get these from @whuamai (rooster and both 10fr) and  @augur (korona) sorry about the s****** pics. (Also got 10 shield halves - you can spot a few in one of the pics)

[HighlandTiger]

On 05/03/2018 at 17:43, Cornishfarmer said:

thinking of starting a run of 20 francs gold coins.    Am I right that they have about 18 designs?    How hard are they to find?  More of a stacker than collector so don’t want to go too far over spot.   Any tips of advice greatly received 

I love the various 20 franc gold coins. After sovs they are my next favourite gold coin. I had a few before i sold them all a few years back. Now I'm back in the buying phase, I'll be picking a few more up myself. My gold dealer gets a few of these over the year, and I usually take them off his hands. 

[gustavus]

Bought 20 swiss francs this week. Was kind of "accident", saw it on auction going for 209€ so i bid 210€ and thought that it will rise before closing.
 

Well now 20 francs is on the way to me.

 

[Caratacus]

On 11/05/2019 at 18:07, gustavus said:

Bought 20 swiss francs this week. Was kind of "accident", saw it on auction going for 209€ so i bid 210€ and thought that it will rise before closing.
 

Well now 20 francs is on the way to me.

 

Dangerous, as now you'll want more LMU's to join it!!   But at least the Helvetia is one of the nicest coins

[gustavus]

8 hours ago, Caratacus said:

Dangerous, as now you'll want more LMU's to join it!!   But at least the Helvetia is one of the nicest coins

Im afraid of that.

Especially after reading trough this topic. So much beautiful coins.

[augur]

Just received, another addition to the UML overstrikes: 1888/6 Venezuela 20 Bolivares.

Not particularly clean but the overstrike is more visible than anywhere else I've seen:

 

[whuamai]

4 Florins Austria / Hungary, weighing the half of the 8 Florins (20 Francs size and weight)

The Hungarian ones are quite rare and carry a high premium.

The Austrian ones are even rarer and carry very high premiums.

 

[Kookaburracollector]

Anyone in Devon this weekend?..A few LMU coins for sale on Saturday..see lots 256+....

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/michael-j-bowman/catalogue-id-srmicha10047/lot-ecdb0fde-586d-444f-8c6d-aa4d00d5fd90?utm_source=auction-alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=auction-alert&utm_content=lot-image-link

One of the lots..

 

 

[ilovesilverireallydo]

9 minutes ago, Kookaburracollector said:

Anyone in Devon this weekend?..A few LMU coins for sale on Saturday..see lots 256+....

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/michael-j-bowman/catalogue-id-srmicha10047/lot-ecdb0fde-586d-444f-8c6d-aa4d00d5fd90?utm_source=auction-alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=auction-alert&utm_content=lot-image-link

One of the lots..

 

 

 

Wtf is this? Are they saying the seller can employ shill bidding? I wouldn’t buy from these people if this is how they run their actions.

[Kookaburracollector]

I thought that was illegal?

Good spot sir, but the reserves are pretty low...If they bid above the reserve then I would be worried...

 

[augur]

Early 20 Bolivares date run

1879-80 Monnaie de Bruxelles, 1886-88 Casa de Moneda Caracas 

[Kookaburracollector]

2 hours ago, augur said:

Early 20 Bolivares date run

1879-80 Monnaie de Bruxelles, 1886-88 Casa de Moneda Caracas 

Now that is a fine group of coins...and an interesting display of the different colours gold can be...a story for another day I hope 😂..

[Murph]

On 11/05/2019 at 18:07, gustavus said:

Bought 20 swiss francs this week. Was kind of "accident", saw it on auction going for 209€ so i bid 210€ and thought that it will rise before closing.
 

Well now 20 francs is on the way to me.

 

I saw one going for less than usual on ebay at the weekend iirc but by the time the seller had replied with the postage charge I was asleep and missed a helvetia for well under the £200.

[Kookaburracollector]

6 hours ago, mopa32100 said:

That's a pretty comprehensive list from @sixgunI've got about half of them and some of the others from the monetary union including 20 lira from the Vatican. At risk of being shunned by other forum members I'd say they were more interesting than Sovereigns 

You won’t get shunned by me for saying what you have said....

[augur]

On 15/05/2019 at 19:21, Kookaburracollector said:

Now that is a fine group of coins...and an interesting display of the different colours gold can be...a story for another day I hope 😂..

The different colours gold can display...

This is indeed an interesting topic and more prevalent in LMU or UML coins than e.g. sovereign or bullion gold. 

Sometimes it has to do with the pickling: all coins below are 0.900 fine gold alloyed with silver

Left Chervonetz ("red coin"), middle and right 20 Mark; during the pickling the superficial copper is dissolved from the planchets using a strong acid (e.g. H2SO4). Depending on duration and strength of the acid the result can vary as seen above. And while it looks as if there were no UML coins on the picture, the 20 Mark are most likely made from French Francs (reparations from the Franco-Prussian War 1870). 

 

The other options is to alter the gold tone more yellow is to use silver in the alloy as in the 1887 Jubilee Sovereigns. In the few years the Mint in Caracas was operating, Venezuela did exactly this with its gold coins.

the two left coins were minted in Paris and Bruxelles respectively and show the effect of pickling nicely while the two right Ines were minted in Caracas with gold from Guyana, the traces of arsenic in the gold give the greenish tint. 

[SilverTanner]

A new Napoleon 20 Lira to go with the 40 Lira - I am trying so hard not to start a formal LMU collection!😀

 

[augur]

And another one for the stack:

[augur]

And here is the complete date run:

1879/1880 Monnaie de Bruxelles, 1886/1887/1888 Casa de Moneda Caracas 

1904/1905/1910/1911/1912 Monnaie de Paris

 

1879/80 and 1904-12 are alloyed with copper and then pickled, 1886-88 are alloyed with silver and from locally sourced gold (Guyana)

The dies were always made by the Monnaie de Paris; while all coins are reeded, the reeding varies from mint to mint with a finer and slightly higher count in Bruxelles, more of a cogwheel reeding from Paris and a rather rough one from Caracas. (I haven't bothered counting)

[mr1030]

On 01/06/2019 at 02:01, SilverTanner said:

A new Napoleon 20 Lira to go with the 40 Lira - I am trying so hard not to start a formal LMU collection!😀

 

Too late!  You're doomed.

[whuamai]

Made some pictures today when I visited my coins in the Bank.

Very bad light in the basement so the pictures didn't come out very well. In real they look alot better.

 

20 Lire Italy 1923, 1 year type, Mintage 20k

 

 

40 Lire Maria Luigia 1815, two year type, Mintage 220 K

40 Lire Napoleon 1814, Mintage 264 K

 

 

 

 

20 Pesetas 1889,  three year type, Mintage 875 K

20 Pesetas 1899, two year type, Mintage  2,1 Million, many melted down

10 Pesetas 1878 (EMM), two year type, Mintage 90 K

20 Franga Skanderbeg 1927, two year type, Mintage 5 K

20 Franga Amet Zogu 1927, two year type, Mintage 6K 

 

[augur]

21 minutes ago, whuamai said:

 

O wow, no wonder you're keeping these locked away. Thanks for sharing!

[Kookaburracollector]

Just love that Skanderbeg...a hard coin to find no doubt!

[AlL]

On 03/06/2019 at 14:13, augur said:

O wow, no wonder you're keeping these locked away. Thanks for sharing!

love Skanderberg too did you see this videos 

 

[whuamai]

21 hours ago, AlL said:

love Skanderberg too did you see this videos 

 

Yea, I have seen it. I really like that channel and he's descriptions are very well done. 

[whuamai]

40 Francs Louis XVIII 1828 W, 352k Mintage

20 Francs Luxemburg (Medal) 1953, 25,6k Mintage

10 Dinara Serbia 1882 V, 1 year Type, 300k Mintage