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Sovereign Errors, Overdates and Varieties


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3 minutes ago, ilovesilverireallydo said:

I have concerns about your coin - BP initials do not look right at all. Red box yours, green box another 2001
 

Though I also agree something doesn't look right there, I believe you're comparing a proof to a bullion strike.

@baurum If you have any concerns I would email the dealer for sure!

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1 minute ago, sg86 said:

Though I also agree something doesn't look right there, I believe you're comparing a proof to a bullion strike.

@baurum If you have any concerns I would email the dealer for sure!

Gah didnt realise its a proof strike  - the cameo is fantastic, which is why the slanted BP initials stood out at me. 

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Mine is a half sovereign , the picture you placed is also a half ?

 

Edit : OK I read after my post that your picture was from a proof one.Here is another picture. Mine is the left one.

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 @sg86 the only concern I have is how the mark happened

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So opinions needed on this one!

An 1879-S shield, I had for a while overlooked this overstamp down to the die flaw, but today I have found another with very similar features which made me look closer

My thoughts are possibly a half sovereign A underneath, what do you think? My reasoning for this is because you cannot see anything higher than the A on the second coin.

 

Coin 1

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Coin 2

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This is up for auction for the first time. I would have liked to hold on to this coin and pass it down but circumstances mean it has to find a new home. 

It deserves better pictures I know but this is the best I could get.

I would say the market may be pretty thin for modern errors like this but give it a generation or two and it won't be modern any more ;)

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Hello, beginner here. I have a rather confusing Edward VII coin, which is dated 1919 (see pics) is this a fake or from another dimension? Is it worth anything at all? Why would something like this have been produced?

 

Thanks for any information you can provide.

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Looks like a child did it!

Is that 1880 date part of the original minting or an overstamp?

A few articles from a well known source::D

https://goldsovereigns.co.uk/sovereignfakesin20thcentury.html

https://www.chards.co.uk/blog/fakes-forgeries-and-counterfeit-gold-coins-and-sovereigns/167

https://24carat.co.uk/frame.php?url=fakes1.html

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2 hours ago, fauxvereign said:

Hello, beginner here. I have a rather confusing Edward VII coin, which is dated 1919 (see pics) is this a fake or from another dimension? Is it worth anything at all? Why would something like this have been produced?

 

Thanks for any information you can provide.

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I guess you know Edward VII died in 1910 right?

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3 hours ago, fauxvereign said:

Hello, beginner here. I have a rather confusing Edward VII coin, which is dated 1919 (see pics) is this a fake or from another dimension? Is it worth anything at all? Why would something like this have been produced?Thanks for any information you can provide.

I find your name rather interesting, is this a wind up;)

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I've never seen this overdate before, was actually quite surprised to see this and have no idea what could be the error, what are your opinions?

The best part is this is on a branch mint shield, where errors are extremely rare, and you get clearly see this without a loupe it's pretty amazing

Note: i flipped the images as didn't photograph them the right way!

 

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Didn't flip the coin, there is also an F/E in DEF on reverse. But why punch F over E here and leave it? This coin is confusing me!

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perhaps the apprentice's practice coin?

as you say, unusual and probably rare.

4 hours ago, sg86 said:

The best part is this is on a branch mint shield, where errors are extremely rare,

I don't think they had engravers in Aus, all dies produced in London, barring a few anomalies.

I would imagine they would ensure all dies were good before shipping them out.

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9 hours ago, sg86 said:

I've never seen this overdate before, was actually quite surprised to see this and have no idea what could be the error, what are your opinions?

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7 hours ago, sovereignsteve said:

perhaps the apprentice's practice coin?

I think @sovereignsteve has a point in that there are too many and unusual errors. 

The punch used resulting in the extension of the crossbar might have been experimental or damaged. Since the Mint also used punches to engrave war medals,  it is also possible that this one was a specifically carved for an unusual name and got mixed up. 

 

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Great insight, wasn't aware that all dies were produced in London and that explains the lack of errors as quality control on the way out would I assume be greater.

Very interesting coin to own, would love to see another pop up somewhere

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59 minutes ago, ilovesilverireallydo said:

Half sovereign shield younghead 1977.

:P

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Looks like it's punch over a lower digit, but yea when looking at errors you really need a high quality macro lens or microscope to see, and wear really does mask the facts

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On 12/05/2018 at 14:10, augur said:

I think @sovereignsteve has a point in that there are too many and unusual errors. 

The punch used resulting in the extension of the crossbar might have been experimental or damaged. Since the Mint also used punches to engrave war medals,  it is also possible that this one was a specifically carved for an unusual name and got mixed up. 

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Do these show the same style R or just demonstrating that medals have punches dies? If I could find an R on another coin produced at the mint that would be incredible!

Other experts have already expressed great surprise in this discovery so late on, and the lack of others in the series makes it an extremely rare find

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