closed 1907 Edward VII Florin XF 40-45

[Peacemaker]

Grade is my own opinion, I think it is an easy XF, NGC guide price $175usd but i understand that is a guide price so open to offers, looking for some gold or silver bullion

[sovereignsteve]

Are you open to opinions on grade?

[Peacemaker]

2 hours ago, sovereignsteve said:

Are you open to opinions on grade?

yes sir!, thats a better way of grading i believe

[Peacemaker]

@sovereignsteve what grade would you say?

[sovereignsteve]

5 hours ago, DaveWheat89 said:

@sovereignsteve what grade would you say?

The Edward head is low relief and difficult to grade but I'd say aVF - VF. Lots of wear on hair and beard, some nasty looking marks too.

The reverse is better at VF to maybe a tad more.

So overall around VF

[Peacemaker]

13 minutes ago, sovereignsteve said:

The Edward head is low relief and difficult to grade but I'd say aVF - VF. Lots of wear on hair and beard, some nasty looking marks too.

The reverse is better at VF to maybe a tad more.

So overall around VF

I respect your opinion, i wouldnt say there is alot of wear on hair and beard  maybe a little, as you said, the Edward head is a low relief and looking at mint state ones, very little difference. Nasty marks i dont believe affect too much of the grading unless they intefere with overall detailing of the coin, someone correct me if im wrong.

Guideline for for XF/EF 40: All design elements still show, but high points now worn flat. Little to no luster remains.

XF/EF 45: High points of design show light wear. A bit of luster may still be visible in protected areas.

i wouldnt even say high points are worn flat but I still would say XF/EF, the lower end 40, thank you for the input.

 

[HawkHybrid]

https://saltfordcoins.com/collections/florins?page=2

 

some of the pics are not great but gives you some comparison

for grading and pricing.

 

HH

[sovereignsteve]

18 hours ago, DaveWheat89 said:

Nasty marks i dont believe affect too much of the grading unless they intefere with overall detailing of the coin, someone correct me if im wrong

True. I only mention it as they detract from the overall appearance.

 

18 hours ago, DaveWheat89 said:

Guideline for for XF/EF 40: All design elements still show, but high points now worn flat. Little to no luster remains.

XF/EF 45: High points of design show light wear. A bit of luster may still be visible in protected areas.

i wouldnt even say high points are worn flat but I still would say XF/EF, the lower end 40, thank you for the input.

I assumed your original statement that it's "an easy EF" was using the British grading scale but you seem to be using the US Sheldon scale terms. The two grades shouldn't be mixed as it can be confusing.
Your XF/EF 40 - 45 equates to British gF - aVF. EF in the British system is a high grade (US AU58 - 60)

The price on Allcoinvalues you quoted will be for the superior British EF grade. Spink gives it as £215 in EF but only £40 at VF (retail prices).

£135 for Britiah EF would be more the real world price.

I would grade your coin as US XF/EF 45 -50

 

[metallica73]

I'd say VF too. Too much wear on the hair and on the shield.

I was frightened to be the first to offer my opinion on this, as I know people like to protect their coins like if someone disses your family

It's much better than the average dross found on Ebay though.

[Peacemaker]

2 hours ago, metallica73 said:

I'd say VF too. Too much wear on the hair and on the shield.

I was frightened to be the first to offer my opinion on this, as I know people like to protect their coins like if someone disses your family

It's much better than the average dross found on Ebay though.

opinions are welcome, no offense taken. I would ask for your reference though. What have you compared mine to, to come up with vf? ive searched alot, this is just one of many i have found, an ngc graded xf45 florin, more hair detail, but more wear around the ear, eye and mouth area and i have personally graded mine and xf40 so a grade below. Didnt really want this to turn in a debate of grading, just wanting to sell or trade

 

 

[Peacemaker]

2 hours ago, sovereignsteve said:

True. I only mention it as they detract from the overall appearance.

 

I assumed your original statement that it's "an easy EF" was using the British grading scale but you seem to be using the US Sheldon scale terms. The two grades shouldn't be mixed as it can be confusing.
Your XF/EF 40 - 45 equates to British gF - aVF. EF in the British system is a high grade (US AU58 - 60)

The price on Allcoinvalues you quoted will be for the superior British EF grade. Spink gives it as £215 in EF but only £40 at VF (retail prices).

£135 for Britiah EF would be more the real world price.

I would grade your coin as US XF/EF 45 -50

 

ahhh right, i had no idea there was another grading system, i assumed the u.s sheldon scale was the only one used. We have graded the same just that there was confusion caused on my part, appreciate the help. Edited and corrected the grading.

[metallica73]

Ah yes! It's unusual for someone from the UK to reference the US grading scale initially so I was confused. Yes, definite Sheldon scale XF.

If you were to offer that to a UK coin dealer as XF he'd give you a funny look

[Peacemaker]

13 minutes ago, metallica73 said:

Ah yes! It's unusual for someone from the UK to reference the US grading scale initially so I was confused. Yes, definite Sheldon scale XF.

If you were to offer that to a UK coin dealer as XF he'd give you a funny look

I didn't realise there was 2 different grading scales lol, I know there is one over here that goes up to 100 rather than 70 but I don't know anything about it, I assumed everybody used the Sheldon scale because that's what ngc use

[sovereignsteve]

2 hours ago, DaveWheat89 said:

Didnt really want this to turn in a debate of grading, just wanting to sell or trade

Understand this viewpoint. I was reluctant to offer an opinion but you did ask

2 hours ago, DaveWheat89 said:

I didn't realise there was 2 different grading scales lol, I know there is one over here that goes up to 100 rather than 70 but I don't know anything about it, I assumed everybody used the Sheldon scale because that's what ngc use

The one going up to 100 is the (ex) UK company CGS, now part of London Coin, re-named LCGC.

Sheldon is up to 70 but the old British system doesn't use numbers but defined levels of grade from fine, very fine, extremely fine, up to uncirculated. There are lower grades but not worth bothering about for collecting. Many people use prefixes "almost" "about" "good" etc as well.

I think it's fine to use the Sheldon scale as everyone is used to NGC and PCGS there days, but it's confusing just to use terms like "XF" "EF" etc without also adding the numerical grade (unless you're in the US of course).

[Peacemaker]

14 minutes ago, sovereignsteve said:

Understand this viewpoint. I was reluctant to offer an opinion but you did ask

Of course, if you offer an opinion on my sale regarding grade of the coin, i am always open to opinions, and something to back it up, e.g a slabbed coin of similar grade, if i refuse the opinion i may aswell have deleted the sale, something like that could tarnish a sale post.

Moving on to the sale... how would you like to pay?

[fehk2001]

4 minutes ago, DaveWheat89 said:

Of course, if you offer an opinion on my sale regarding grade of the coin, i am always open to opinions, and something to back it up, e.g a slabbed coin of similar grade, if i refuse the opinion i may aswell have deleted the sale, something like that could tarnish a sale post.

Moving on to the sale... how would you like to pay?

may I offer u 5x subway footlong instead 

[Peacemaker]

1 minute ago, fehk2001 said:

may I offer u 5x subway footlong instead 

depends.... what be on the 5 x subway footlongs?

[fehk2001]

2 hours ago, DaveWheat89 said:

depends.... what be on the 5 x subway footlongs?

Up to you , five silver eagle if you like but u have to eat them 

[Peacemaker]

1 hour ago, fehk2001 said:

Up to you , five silver eagle if you like but u have to eat them 

Southwest sauce and you have a deal!