Hows your weekend going?
Ours has been quite busy!
This is just box 1........
We will be sending out what we can tomorrow, but there are a lot of coins still to come, so you might not get your order until later this coming week.
There is no easy way to communicate who's order is being dispatched, if you really have to know drop me a message.
Unboxing video on Wednesday!
I don't normally get involved in these sorts of debate on t'internet however I feel compelled to share my experience of the group orders and dealing with BYB in general.
I have been using these group orders for over a year now and as I consider myself a collector first and a stacker second these orders are a great way to ensure I can complete collections in the cheapest way possible. Before I found this forum I was buying silver direct from UK dealers and easily paying 20 - 25% more for coins (including the delivery).
I am nervous about buying from overseas dealers. I have had one bad experience (although it was down to the UK courier company that failed to deliver) buying from a well known Belgian dealer that puts me off buying direct. Using the group order means that BYB deals with all of that hassle for me.
The process put in place by BYB makes it nice and simple for me to place an order. 1 - I choose what I want and PM it (securely) to BYB. 2 - BYB comes back confirming the price and I send him the money. 3 - At the end of the order BYB provides UK shipping costs and I send him the money. 4 - My silver arrives. Now while I acknowledge the turnaround on this is longer than if I ordered direct I don't get any of the stress of ordering from a dealer direct for what is normally a few hundred pounds worth of silver. Patience is after all a virtue 😉.
I like to participate in the group order as the promotion the forum receives from the BYB unboxing videos drives traffic to this forum and brings more like minded people into our world. Also I get a real kick out of seeing that volume and diversity of silver in one place.
Dealing with BYB
I have been participating in the Group orders managed by BYB for over a year now and I have also purchased a number of hand poured silver items direct from him.
I find BYB's communication and support second to none when it comes to these group orders. I had a number of questions when I first participated in a group order and BYB patiently answered each one. I see him continuing to do that on all subsequent orders as new forum members consider joining the order.
I have had one occasion where a coin I ordered did not arrive on time and BYB was excellent at chasing the European mint and keeping me informed while I waited for restocking and then getting it shipped over to me.
I commissioned a hand poured silver piece for a family members birthday and despite the fact I left it too late to order for the date I needed it BYB bent over backwards to expedite the pouring, stamping and hallmarking to get it to me on time. I really could not have asked for better service.
In my opinion BYB is not just a wonderful craftsman but also an excellent businessman. He understands customer service and the concerns of new participants to these group orders and makes very little personally from running these orders other than using them to promote his business. The amount of effort put in to run these on our behalf for a £1 (optional) tip is not very much when you think of all the hassle and stress for Mr & Mrs BYB to operate and deliver these orders.
All of the above are just my honest thoughts and while I appreciate everyone's experiences and opinions may differ from mine I have no hesitation in joining these orders because I save on shipping costs, don't have to deal with dealers direct and based on my previous dealings trust BYB implicitly (well at least with a couple of hundred quid of my silver budget) 😀 .
Cravethecoin - I am not sure if your post is a genuine concern or your just having a pop at BYB. My suggestion would be that you check your facts and figures before posting and just spend some time reading the content of this forum. You will see a large number of people who deal with BYB on a regular or one off basis and in all of these interactions I have not seen anything that would cause me to question either his integrity or honesty.
Right time for me to go back into my trance like state and watch more of BYB's videos......zzzzzz....must buy more shiny...zzzz...group orders...zzzzz...European mint....zzzzzzzzz.
Here we ago again. I really should not gratify you with a response, but seeing as you have called out my honesty and integrity I am going to.
Let's address it point by point so that maybe you can better understand just how wrong you are.
What exactly are you insinuating here? These orders have never been about getting a bulk discount on the prices of coins. It has always been about the collective sharing of international shipping costs. So, you are making assertions that are a) not true & b) not even applicable!
At the same time you are challenging my honesty and integrity about the situation - accusing me of hiding and avoiding the reasons why they aren't offering bulk discounts on coins!
Perhaps this kind of attitude that you demonstrate is the reason why.....and probably why you were subsequently blocked and banned from commenting on my channel for your obtuse and rude assertions and personal attacks against me and the users of the group order. Now you are here!
Now you are calling out the 400+ different individual people that have joined the group orders in all the time I have been doing them as being "in a trance" (I assume this is what you meant as you typed "trace").
Well, group order members, are you all in a "trance" or "trace"???? Have I beguiled you with lies and wit to join this group order?
Now let's move onto the negatives you so kindly laid out for us all.
I communicate via the forum messaging system. The Silver Forum is SSL encrypted. In addition to that my own website and associated email is SSL encrypted. In addition to that I have 2 step verification. Nothing is ever fully hack proof of course, but come on, this is a big stretch and in my (and I would imagine many others) not a valid negative about the group order.
But to give due respect, if you have a better idea for communication (other than using Gumtree like you mentioned in another post you put up last night, which by the way is probably one of the least secure ways you can go about buying and selling Gold and Silver!!) then I am all ears.
OK - this is one of the downsides, I will give you that. But it is also not a big factor for many people. In fact, there are a lot of people who would vault their orders with dealers and have them shipped once every 6 months. So it is a downside, but a full blown negative? Bit of a stretch.
How is this even a point you are making? You seem to be clutching for anything to moan about at this stage.....
I can argue (and you actually back this up yourself for me in this very post) that the costs of shipping are laid out very clearly such that people can calculate them just as you have done later in your post. So your point here is completely invalid.
And the reason I do the shipping invoices at the end is because there are a lot of people that tag on extra items as the weeks progress. If I did a shipping quote at the start then I would have a huge extra administrative burden of adding additional postage because of different weight brackets.
OK, first up it is the EU Mint, not Goldsilver.be but OK....
There is indeed an extra logistical step in that myself and Mrs BYB have to organise peoples orders into individual parcels and ship them out.
The very few (and I literally mean 2 or 3 times in 400+ orders) that we have made a mistake in sending out the wrong coins, we have contacted and/or corrected as soon as we were informed or realised the mistakes at our own expense.
I forget the names of those involved, but if you are one of those people reading this please back me up!
So, there is no additional risk to the customer because they will always get their order........
Well, clearly you know nothing about how this order works.
We do things on a weekend when the metal prices are static.
If you had bothered to read/understand how the order works perhaps your list of negatives would be considerably shorter.
Yes. But you even put your biased opinion when typing this. "slightly".
You did the maths yourself. You saved £10.51 - if you don't want to save £10 then give it to some of the many people out there that do want to save £10.
A great demonstration of your lack of awareness about how ordering from GS.be and EU Mint works.
If you bothered to check the shipping when you have logged in you will see that the shipping from GS.be is €22 with a total of €534.32
In addition the cost from the EU mint for 32 Britannias ordering directly is €36, not €30 and the total is €544.48
If you joined the group order your total would be approximately €528 including the special delivery shipping from me to you.
As you can see, significant savings.
No, you do not need a middleman to order cheap silver from Europe. But as I have demonstrated it makes that already cheap silver EVEN CHEAPER!!!
In addition there are the added benefits that you chose not to include in your post.
- You do not have to set up an account with the dealer and physically place the order with them. Simply tell me what you want and I give you a price.
- You do not have to set up accounts with money transfer services like Transferwise. I have these already done and I am ID verified and have undergone money laundering checks. Saves you a lot of time and hassle.
- You can plan when to be in to accept delivery. If you choose UK to UK special delivery you know what day you are going to be in to take delivery.
- You do not have to deal with the dealer directly. Ever tried emailing GS.be with a query about a specific item? Nightmare (and that is often when they actually reply!). In this order, as I have demonstrated, I can ask the EU mint manager a question and get an answer within minutes.
There are other benefits as well, but to be honest, I am losing the will to live defending myself to you.
So in summary.....
Get your facts straight before making personal attacks on me, the group order and its users.
I do not force anybody to join the group order.
I am clear, up front and honest about the way the order works and any insinuation that I am missleading people will be strongly defended.
You do not have to join the group order.