HawkHybrid

more uses does not make it more useful.
it's only more useful if you say it is so because you speak gospel without any need for reason.
why do I think you are constantly spouting rubbish?
 
HH

IMO: People stack silver due to the pumpers telling them they can become rich. I find on the forum people start stacking silver and after some time realise their losses and change to stacking gold.
I think normal people thinking silver can go to $100 or whatever the made up number is gives them a bit of hope. However, none of these people offer sound financial advice and when people lose the pumpers are not held accountable. 

Any investment that you start in the hole at -20% and then even further minus due to premium should be a red flag for most. 

Why has no one questioned the maths?
What is going on here? Why would you do this?
What if I did this: 24g ÷ $1 = $24
What does that mean? 24g of silver should have cost $24 in 1900?

you might ask yourself 'what is your understanding of the gold market pricing?'
and 'do you agree with the above?'
 
investing is about making a judgement call from sufficient useful research data. many people try to jump in
and 'make it work/happen'. no doubt, constantly trying to go against the tide is a continuous up hill struggle.
 
HH

it's actually part of the same issue. (just marketing)
it's like how some dealers give 'free' delivery and others clearly charge for delivery.
 
HH

no one cares what andrew maguire says.
I'm asking you that if the physical silver prices(with stock for delivery) goes up and down in rhythm
with the up and down movements in the spot price(supposedly manipulated), is it a disconnect between
the over supply of silver on the futures market versus the physical market?
you'd rather believe random vague rantings from the likes of andrew maguire(who profit from pumping
the prices of the metals) rather than what you see with your own eyes? what happened to 'what I see
on my shopping bill don't match with the official inflation figures'? I guess it's double standards as to
if you believe what you see with your own eyes.
https://www.thesilverforum.com/topic/53763-why-dont-they-sell-and-buy-like-before/
a thread about the weak demand made before yesterdays drop.
https://www.thesilverforum.com/topic/53463-please-help-to-keep-the-trade-section-tidy-use-of-emojiscapital-letterspunctuation-in-topic-titles/?tab=comments#comment-548097
the excessive use of capitals by forum sellers as a means to advertise their metal, is becoming a problem.
(also made before yesterdays drop). looks to me like a good bit of physical metal was not shifting at
pre drop prices(hence the trend for some sales thread to try to look more appealing).
the early warning signs are there for people interested in looking. hardly what I'd consider manipulated
manoeuvre with no real world backing.
 
are you listening to andrew maguire because he did such a great job giving you the heads up about
yesterdays 4% drop on paper for your bullion silver holdings? or are you any closer to taking off the
metals pumpers blindfold?
 
you see the forum members who tried to warn you of short term over supply that are likely to lead to
short term lower price, they are defined as 'in league with the evil bankers'. how dare they claim that
down movements in the silver price are a normal market price discovery behaviour. potential buyers
need to counter offer with higher prices when haggling for physical silver.(yes, I am mocking how
absurd it would be for silver prices to go up in a straight line)
 
HH

I'm not much of a silver stacker but do collect a few series. As far as investment purposes are concerned or my end game; I'm avoiding silver at all costs...here in the UK specifically.
It is incredibly difficult to get a decent return on your silver IMO. However, if you are stacking old british silver coins and old silver jewellery/ornaments then yes you will have a higher chance of getting a better return compared to purchasing brand new silver coins from any bullion firm or shop with the VAT slap on it. For a pure silver stacker enthusiast you have to shop much harder to go around the VAT trap.
Each to their own. If you like silver and you enjoy stacking it then by all means continue but I personally don't see it as a wise investment long term. A mix of both yellow and white shinies are the way to go but more yellow. 😜

Ok hillwalker, you are on. I am average wage, average educated, I have a mortgage, I have three pensions from previous employers that I need to deal with. I will make it my mission to learn, to understand what is happening and I will create a thread on here letting others know how I get on. I have no alternative to the one I am on because my company doubles what I put in (haven't seen any evidence of this tho) so not sure what I can compare against. I am not hopeful of the outcome as no one I know from a company of 6000 people has done this. All I know is if the government automatically enrolles every working person it to it , it's not going to be a good deal is it?

mike maloney should have done the same experiment pre 1971(1968) with fully gold backed US dollars.
my guess is the outcome would be the same. physical appearance is all that mattered to the children.
two pieces of paper versus a shiny thing. the fact that pre 1971, one of those pieces of paper is equal to
a shiny thing is beyond the children's comprehension. kids do funny things for seemingly random reasons.
 
@KevinFlynn imo you are asking all the wrong questions.
1. if stacking is the process of converting currency into metals then what is your purpose for stacking?
(answering this leads to what quantity to stack? and which metal ratio is best for that purpose?)
 
changing vat figures doesn't change the purpose of why people stack. it does however change the
figures and ratios that would best fit their purpose for stacking. many of your questions is about the
perception of stacking and other peoples opinion(including those such as mike maloney who have
much to gain from encouraging more buying of metals/silver). few on the forum actually do the maths
for their risk to reward ratio of what they are stacking. using historic averages/probabilities and doing
the maths using your personal figures will tell you what ratio is likely best.
 
my current ratio is weighted towards gold because the maths says it's likely favourable to do so.
updating the likely return on investment is always handy when the figures change.
 
HH

mike maloney should have done the same experiment pre 1971(1968) with fully gold backed US dollars.
my guess is the outcome would be the same. physical appearance is all that mattered to the children.
two pieces of paper versus a shiny thing. the fact that pre 1971, one of those pieces of paper is equal to
a shiny thing is beyond the children's comprehension. kids do funny things for seemingly random reasons.
 
@KevinFlynn imo you are asking all the wrong questions.
1. if stacking is the process of converting currency into metals then what is your purpose for stacking?
(answering this leads to what quantity to stack? and which metal ratio is best for that purpose?)
 
changing vat figures doesn't change the purpose of why people stack. it does however change the
figures and ratios that would best fit their purpose for stacking. many of your questions is about the
perception of stacking and other peoples opinion(including those such as mike maloney who have
much to gain from encouraging more buying of metals/silver). few on the forum actually do the maths
for their risk to reward ratio of what they are stacking. using historic averages/probabilities and doing
the maths using your personal figures will tell you what ratio is likely best.
 
my current ratio is weighted towards gold because the maths says it's likely favourable to do so.
updating the likely return on investment is always handy when the figures change.
 
HH

@HerefordBullyun explain this if physical delivery is everything in determining current pricing?
 
the correct price of something is which you can get buyers and sellers for all of the current stock available?
currently 1 billion toz sellers and buyers are agreeing to make the trade in silver at the current prices($22).
as I've asked @Minimalist many times without an answer, I don't know how many people currently
willing to spend £30/toz for bullion silver but it's not 1 billion toz worth of buyers. this means £30/toz
is currently too much to be able to find buyers for all of the current 1 billion toz ready to be sold and
delivered. anyone who claim that currently silver should be priced at £30/toz or more is simply wrong.
 
HH

it's rubbish because it's irrelevant and purposely there to add complication.
 
stop beating about the bush and come up with buyers for £30/toz bullion silver.
 
HH

I don't care about the irrelevant rubbish that @sixgun like to go off topic about.
finding a buyer for pete at £30/toz bullion silver not real world enough for you?
talk is cheap. make belief demand is cheap.
last I heard, pete is ready to sell to a buyer at £30/toz. where's the buyer?
if you can't even find a buyer at £30/toz then talk of pricing silver above that is nonsense.
 
HH

maybe andrew maguire could be helpful next time and give you a heads up before the silver price is about to drop 4%?
(instead of claiming manipulation after the drops have happened.)
but it doesn't see that miners extract silver at ~$16/toz(aisc supply) and the market is currently pricing silver at ~$22/toz(the demand side).
markets are about demand and supply.
expecting something that costs $16 to produce to be sold for $3,000 - who is the one that is doing the rip off deception/manipulation?
name anyone who is currently willing to pay $3,000/toz for bullion silver?
 
HH

@HerefordBullyun explain this if physical delivery is everything in determining current pricing?
 
the correct price of something is which you can get buyers and sellers for all of the current stock available?
currently 1 billion toz sellers and buyers are agreeing to make the trade in silver at the current prices($22).
as I've asked @Minimalist many times without an answer, I don't know how many people currently
willing to spend £30/toz for bullion silver but it's not 1 billion toz worth of buyers. this means £30/toz
is currently too much to be able to find buyers for all of the current 1 billion toz ready to be sold and
delivered. anyone who claim that currently silver should be priced at £30/toz or more is simply wrong.
 
HH

it's rubbish because it's irrelevant and purposely there to add complication.
 
stop beating about the bush and come up with buyers for £30/toz bullion silver.
 
HH

bottom line is supply and demand determine price.
market pricing is not about talking big, but about matching genuine buyers and sellers.
forget $3,000, if you can find someone currently willing to pay £30/toz silver bullion then please forward the details to
@Pete, as to my knowledge he's been looking for a buyer at £30/toz since 2011.
all this talk about what silver should be priced at is nonsense when you can't even find genuine buyers at lower prices.
 
HH

bottom line is supply and demand determine price.
market pricing is not about talking big, but about matching genuine buyers and sellers.
forget $3,000, if you can find someone currently willing to pay £30/toz silver bullion then please forward the details to
@Pete, as to my knowledge he's been looking for a buyer at £30/toz since 2011.
all this talk about what silver should be priced at is nonsense when you can't even find genuine buyers at lower prices.
 
HH

no one cares what andrew maguire says.
I'm asking you that if the physical silver prices(with stock for delivery) goes up and down in rhythm
with the up and down movements in the spot price(supposedly manipulated), is it a disconnect between
the over supply of silver on the futures market versus the physical market?
you'd rather believe random vague rantings from the likes of andrew maguire(who profit from pumping
the prices of the metals) rather than what you see with your own eyes? what happened to 'what I see
on my shopping bill don't match with the official inflation figures'? I guess it's double standards as to
if you believe what you see with your own eyes.
https://www.thesilverforum.com/topic/53763-why-dont-they-sell-and-buy-like-before/
a thread about the weak demand made before yesterdays drop.
https://www.thesilverforum.com/topic/53463-please-help-to-keep-the-trade-section-tidy-use-of-emojiscapital-letterspunctuation-in-topic-titles/?tab=comments#comment-548097
the excessive use of capitals by forum sellers as a means to advertise their metal, is becoming a problem.
(also made before yesterdays drop). looks to me like a good bit of physical metal was not shifting at
pre drop prices(hence the trend for some sales thread to try to look more appealing).
the early warning signs are there for people interested in looking. hardly what I'd consider manipulated
manoeuvre with no real world backing.
 
are you listening to andrew maguire because he did such a great job giving you the heads up about
yesterdays 4% drop on paper for your bullion silver holdings? or are you any closer to taking off the
metals pumpers blindfold?
 
you see the forum members who tried to warn you of short term over supply that are likely to lead to
short term lower price, they are defined as 'in league with the evil bankers'. how dare they claim that
down movements in the silver price are a normal market price discovery behaviour. potential buyers
need to counter offer with higher prices when haggling for physical silver.(yes, I am mocking how
absurd it would be for silver prices to go up in a straight line)
 
HH

people refuse to believe it because it's simply not true.
https://www.thesilverforum.com/topic/53821-2021-silver-brits-£550-posted/
physical silver britannias with stock on sale at £22/toz posted. maybe the lowest it's been in months.
you said something about buying all the physical metal I have at pre drop prices, there's good news,
you can likely buy more physical metal than I have at lower than pre drop prices.
 
who needs to recognise proof when you can keep on kidding yourself that the futures paper market
has no bearing on the current physical market?
 
HH

people refuse to believe it because it's simply not true.
https://www.thesilverforum.com/topic/53821-2021-silver-brits-£550-posted/
physical silver britannias with stock on sale at £22/toz posted. maybe the lowest it's been in months.
you said something about buying all the physical metal I have at pre drop prices, there's good news,
you can likely buy more physical metal than I have at lower than pre drop prices.
 
who needs to recognise proof when you can keep on kidding yourself that the futures paper market
has no bearing on the current physical market?
 
HH

people refuse to believe it because it's simply not true.
https://www.thesilverforum.com/topic/53821-2021-silver-brits-£550-posted/
physical silver britannias with stock on sale at £22/toz posted. maybe the lowest it's been in months.
you said something about buying all the physical metal I have at pre drop prices, there's good news,
you can likely buy more physical metal than I have at lower than pre drop prices.
 
who needs to recognise proof when you can keep on kidding yourself that the futures paper market
has no bearing on the current physical market?
 
HH

whilst you're doing your accounts for judgement calls,
where do all of the people who got duped by the wss silver squeeze scam go to for compensation?
is it you for promoting that silver was a short squeeze when it's price was over $26?
 
for one that doesn't supply figures and time frames you can talk about others future predictions.
and on the odd occasion that you do give a time frame,
https://www.thesilverforum.com/topic/51532-solar-wake-up-call/?tab=comments#comment-531502
just make up an excuse explanation,
 
just reading that sentence shows how ignorant you are about the feds claim of transitory higher inflation.
 
HH

Problems with supply is nothing to do with currency though and should be transitory*

Quarters carry a premium over a 1 ounce.
Perhaps consider Sovereigns - they have a low premium over spot
Best
Dicker