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Pipers

GENERAL ELECTION

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4 hours ago, Pete said:

How many people would vote for comrade Corbyn if he promised a free bumper bag of gold sovereigns ?
In Scotland many years ago, a councillor or politician(?) was voted-in by promising to remove the £1 toll on the Forth road bridge.
Forget the state of the economy, housing, taxes, homelessness etc - that petty promise swung the vote !

Let's get real for a moment -

The National debt is over £1.6 trillion which equates to over £25,000 per person AND is is still RISING.
That spells out in plain English that WE are living outside our means TODAY despite austerity or attempts to cut public cost.

The trouble is most ( but not all ) don't seem to give a sh*t as if it's someone else's problem.
The Conservatives campaign was appalling and allowed Corbyn to offer all the free sweeteners essentially unopposed.

Dealing with Brexit will be a tough ride ahead yet the media seems to side with the unelected Eurocrats.
We cannot automatically yield to the EU's demands and policies so why is the media not backing us in our fight ?
We want EU citizens living in the UK the right to stay here only if the EU grants reciprocal rights to UK citizens, this has never been questioned but the way the labour and media lot present things there is a blame culture placed onto the Conservatives for no reason other than to bias the argument unfairly.

As for old age care the Conservatives shot themselves by announcing a part thought through statement that backfired big time.
Dealing with old age has to be cross party and is such a big issue to deal with it should never have been introduced pre-election.

Fellow stackers saving their hard-earned cash for retirement or for their children, building up assets, buying their own home, perhaps not taking expensive holidays or running expensive cars, be prepared to hand over all your money if you have to go into care in later years. Non-stackers living off other people's money, gambling, smoking, burning cash having a good time will have their care paid for by the former !

Good points and dont forget how enormously underfunded public pensions are. That is a huge car crash waiting to happen....and student loans.....hanging on til mummy and daddy leave them a house in their will in 1-30 years time.....who is going to buy all these large family houses ? Old people will be downsizing at the same time to pay rising hospital bills and make up the difference in a lowering pension.....etc etc

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Good points and dont forget how enormously underfunded public pensions are. That is a huge car crash waiting to happen....

And our big problem is the politicians won't say because the public don't want to hear it. Politicians "lie" but the first one to tell the truth on this will be vilified.

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This is the problem. Extend and pretend. Bread and circuses. Well we have it....if anyone tells the truth, they wont get into power. If you extend and pretend, you get to rule the circus and dish out bread for a while even while the whole thing is clearly a lie. Everyone knows but no one is saying and I include the media in this too.

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This is the problem. Extend and pretend. Bread and circuses. Well we have it....if anyone tells the truth, they wont get into power. If you extend and pretend, you get to rule the circus and dish out bread for a while even while the whole thing is clearly a lie. Everyone knows but no one is saying and I include the media in this too.

As all these new voters that Corbyn empowered will find out eventually
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I am old enough to have been here before. But the debt and changing world (a million Chinese alone, let alone India etc. leave university with engineering degrees every year for example - that wasn't the case 40 years ago)  this time is on a whole new level of stupid.

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He's like a Pied Piper mate.

Now, even though he got 60+ seats less than the Tories and less people voted for Labour, he thinks he has more right to form a government. I can't quite believe what I'm hearing every time I turn on the news.

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Mariner1961 said:

He's like a Pied Piper mate.

Now, even though he got 60+ seats less than the Tories and less people voted for Labour, he thinks he has more right to form a government. I can't quite believe what I'm hearing every time I turn on the news.

 

 

Labour lost the election, but expectations were for them to lose a lot worse, so therefore they won... :rolleyes: 

There are an awful lot of people on this band wagon now, to the point I think we must be approaching peak fantasy land and will see people coming to their sense soon.

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Just now, KDave said:

Labour lost the election, but expectations were for them to lose a lot worse, so therefore they won... :rolleyes: 

There are an awful lot of people on this band wagon now, to the point I think we must be approaching peak fantasy land and will see people coming to their sense soon.

I hope you're right mate. What I can't understand is the news channels letting them air this crap over and over again. The stupidity of it all drives me mad.

Anyway, got to go, have some writing to do as I'm expecting a call from the Queen anytime now!

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I couldn't agree with you more sovereignsteve.

Leaving the EU is by definition a hard Brexit.  Pure and simple.  A soft Brexit means some sort of half leaving or not at all.

We certainly weren't asked if we wanted to half leave.  And nor were we asked if we just wanted to stall further integration.  Those would be soft options that our elected parliament could certainly have bickered over and decided on our behalf.  No, they very deliberately decided to only give us the choice on the nuclear option of actually leaving!  They voted 6 to 1 in favour of giving us that nuclear question precisely because it is such a biggie.  So important a question it is that they couldn't decide it alone etc.  To claim now that somehow they never meant it like that or that "the masses" are too stupid to know what the question actually was, is a complete mockery.

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11 hours ago, KDave said:

Labour lost the election, but expectations were for them to lose a lot worse, so therefore they won... :rolleyes: 

There are an awful lot of people on this band wagon now, to the point I think we must be approaching peak fantasy land and will see people coming to their sense soon.

I called it terminal socialism the other day!

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I called it terminal socialism the other day!

I think I'm warming to the idea. Perhaps we should extend it to the things too. After our fantastic 2-2 win against England on Saturday it would be nice if you did the right thing and stepped aside so Scotland go to the World Cup :-)

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1 hour ago, Mariner1961 said:


I think I'm warming to the idea. Perhaps we should extend it to the things too. After our fantastic 2-2 win against England on Saturday it would be nice if you did the right thing and stepped aside so Scotland go to the World Cup :-)

why not give everyone a trophy and admonish the winners for being better than the others.We could make an example of them somehow.😂😂😂

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It is neo marxism pure and simple. You will all agree because we tell you to and will enforce everyone being the same (thinly disguised under the fake title of "diversity"and anyone who disagrees with us will be punished. It is for your own good.

 

I have two words for that and the second word is 'off'

 

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Even though the Labour party say they are "committed to inplementing" Brexit, this is comrade Corbyn's idea of "leaving":P

  "tariff-free access to the European market" and to maintain membership of key European agencies, as well as European Convention on Human Rights and European Court of Human Rights but he confirmed he would press ahead with leaving the EU if he became prime minister."

Quoted from the BBC, but can we really be sure it's accurate?

The man is a moron.

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David Davis, the Brexit secretary, says his government still plans to take the UK out of the Single Market despite claims that the election result could lead to a softer Brexit.

He tells Today: "[In the EU referendum] the people voted for three things: control of borders, control of laws, control of money. You can't deliver that inside the Single Market.

"So you try and have the best possible access from outside the Single Market."

He also says the UK can still walk away without a deal if what the EU offers isn't good enough.

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/business-40244356

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There seems to be a lot of resentment on here now towards the result and the people who voted Labour.  

It was on the cards that May had messed up the election, she should be sacked for the Country's sake.  

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It is a real pity when parties feel it necessary to vehemently oppose each other rather than try and work out a common ground solution.
We are leaving the EU - fact - so why cannot ALL the energy be put into joined-up and grown-up discussions, to the benefit of the electorate, as opposed to winning headlines on TV for a moment of glory - as if that matters the next day. The media is just as bad, daggers out at the first trembling of the knees or picking up a word spoken out of context then it becomes the nucleus of an endless debate, repeated and repeated some more, because they haven't got anything better to cover.  The journalists and producers are so intent on winning bogus awards for reporting crap or are themselves politically biassed like Sky News and the BBC ( excluding the 2 presenters of the Daily Politics on BBC2 ). It is like an adult version of "Watching 4 year Olds" on TV

2 minutes ago, Pipers said:

There seems to be a lot of resentment on here now towards the result and the people who voted Labour.  

It was on the cards that May had messed up the election, she should be sacked for the Country's sake.  

... and replaced by whom ?

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4 minutes ago, Pete said:

I

... and replaced by whom ?

Not sure, its up the Conservative Party, though IMO I would choice someone in the centre.   

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@Pipers I don't think there's any resentment here for the people that voted for Labour.  I understand exactly why so many voters didn't like the conservative manifesto and switched over to Corbyn.  The good news though is that Corbyn lost.  And, the equally good news is that much of that dismal manifesto will be quietly scrapped.  Dodged bullets from both sides.  Hopefully no more elections for a while.  I've had enough after three votes in a single year.

 

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If you write down all the things labour offered and all the things the conservatives were going to take away.     I think most people would be mad not to vote labour.    

On a side not I think that it's about time the BBC became neutral, they have been a disgrace in the last few months. Laura kuenssberg was like a kid at Christmas on election night crowing about the results.   They are so busy slagging Brexit, the NHS  and the conservatives they have forgotten what a great country we like in. 

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1 minute ago, Cornishfarmer said:

If you write down all the things labour offered and all the things the conservatives were going to take away.     I think most people would be mad not to vote labour.    

On a side not I think that it's about time the BBC became neutral, they have been a disgrace in the last few months. Laura kuenssberg was like a kid at Christmas on election night crowing about the results.   They are so busy slagging Brexit, the NHS  and the conservatives they have forgotten what a great country we like in. 

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14 hours ago, Cornishfarmer said:

If you write down all the things labour offered and all the things the conservatives were going to take away.     I think most people would be mad not to vote labour.    

On a side not I think that it's about time the BBC became neutral, they have been a disgrace in the last few months. Laura kuenssberg was like a kid at Christmas on election night crowing about the results.   They are so busy slagging Brexit, the NHS  and the conservatives they have forgotten what a great country we like in. 

Maybe the majority of the country are mad:D:lol:

What people at the BBC and other media still do not understand is around 50-55% of the people who voted for brexit are left of centre leaning and can see what that EU is :- a 'cabal' ran for the Corporations.  Hence when it was a run off between a rubbish Tory or a left wing Labour they went back home!!

IMO In other words if Labour had a positive campaign with with a more moderate as leader they would of won, even I voted for them because I was that angry with the conservatives.    

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