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18 minutes ago, Pipers said:

AS you all know I am voting Labour for the first time since 1997, I cannot vote for the Conservatives with that Manifesto!

The Tories Manifesto is extremely similar and reminds me of a dodgy market trader who shouts out ' who will trust me whats in the box, come on only 50 quid for whats in the box' the first box then gets sold to his mate and guess what he gets lots of items worth £100's.  Then the next box  'Trust me whats in the box i have lots give give out, come then the (sheep) customers come forward and get conned out of their money!  

That is the Conservative  Manifesto in a nutshell.  

Anyone who votes for the Conservatives with that manifesto is giving the Conservatives the right to do what ever they want.  Under that manifesto the Conservatives are the real danger to this Country.  

I am not telling people to vote Labour but if you go into the booth you must be aware if you put your X next to the Tory candidate what you are doing.   

I feel totally the opposite and remember what Labour did the last time they were in power. I've given their manifesto a read and it's pie in the sky. It's just socialism plain and simple and we will all pay for it.

The only money he  hasn't promised is extra for the Tooth Fairy and if 1-5 year old could vote he'd have offered that too!

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32 minutes ago, Pipers said:

AS you all know I am voting Labour for the first time since 1997, I cannot vote for the Conservatives with that Manifesto!

The Tories Manifesto is extremely similar and reminds me of a dodgy market trader who shouts out ' who will trust me whats in the box, come on only 50 quid for whats in the box' the first box then gets sold to his mate and guess what he gets lots of items worth £100's.  Then the next box  'Trust me whats in the box i have lots give give out, come then the (sheep) customers come forward and get conned out of their money!  

That is the Conservative  Manifesto in a nutshell.  

Anyone who votes for the Conservatives with that manifesto is giving the Conservatives the right to do what ever they want.  Under that manifesto the Conservatives are the real danger to this Country.  

I am not telling people to vote Labour but if you go into the booth you must be aware if you put your X next to the Tory candidate what you are doing.   

As opposed to Labour, who say that they'll give you the box completely free of charge... but make your children pay £200 for it in 15 years time.

 

Jeremy Corbyn

John McDonnell

Diane Abbott

 

All of those politicians have openly supported armed insurrection against the British State; they have no place in politics, let alone in Parliament.

 

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Just now, Mariner1961 said:

I feel totally the opposite and remember what Labour did the last time they were in power. I've given their manifesto a read and it's pie in the sky. It's just socialism plain and simple and we will all pay for it.

Osborne Doubled the Debt (gave his mates in the City all the money) for no real benefit.

Aristotle Quote:-

 Democracy is when the indigent, and not the men of property, are the rulers.

In the UK we have a so called Democracy, the forces of power hate democracy and connive to keep all the wealth and power to themselves, because it is very obvious that under a free and fair democracy all of the poor working class and lower middle class (masses) would group together and take the wealth and redistribute it between themselves.  There are 2 ways that wealth and privileged do this

1  Wealth and Privileged give out benefits to the poor and working class and lower middle class in the way of tax credits benefits child benefits ect.  

2 Wealth and Privileged reduce democracy and the power of freedom and democracy in the country.  

Take what you want from what i have wrote, it is true, I do not pin any colour to my chest red or blue, we have had Neo-liberal Government for nearly 40 years and it has led us to extremely wide wealth gap.  I said at the top Osborne gave massive benefits to the city, while at the same time he was part of a Government who cut the Police force, Fire Service, froze Nurses pay for years told disabled people who would never get work they were not disabled enough.  

We have enormous amounts of self employed who really are unemployed who buy back there items and then get tax credits, this works out the same as unemployment money.  We have Benefit sponger Landlords who are ringing the state dry because of 3 reasons,

1 no one earns enough money to pay the rents anymore so tenents are all on benefits,

2 Landlords get tax give aways at every corner (I know i used to be one)

3 The state sets the bench rent level not the market.  

I am of the opinion the Tories would never build enough homes and are quite happy for people to live in sh-t holes and hight rents.  Also with the dementia Tax this was a way of stopping the next generation from owing a home and forcing them into renting at high costs, leaving their mates to make lots of money from ordinary people.

The fact is May and her cronies thought they could get away with anything because they were so far ahead in the polls, thats why they put such a bad manifesto together and the house grab (dementia tax) what in the box Manifesto.  

In other word they have been caught with their pants down.  Will they get away with it?   

           

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21 minutes ago, Clens92 said:

As opposed to Labour, who say that they'll give you the box completely free of charge... but make your children pay £200 for it in 15 years time.

 

Jeremy Corbyn

John McDonnell

Diane Abbott

 

All of those politicians have openly supported armed insurrection against the British State; they have no place in politics, let alone in Parliament.

 

What like 'Double the Debt Osborne'  

Micheal Fallen was with his best mate Asad   in Syria celebrating his Birthday 

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5 minutes ago, Pipers said:

What like 'Double the Debt Osborne'  

Micheal Fallen was with his best mate Asad   in Syria celebrating his Birthday 

President Assad is the democratically elected leader of a sovereign state.  The fact you appear to support his overthrow by the Islamist hordes says more about you than me, I feel.

Osborne is no longer in government, so that doesn't really help. 

 

I mean, I can keep listing the problems with Labour's Shadow Cabinet...

  • Angela Rayner - Shadow Education Sec - No formal qualifications, has only ever worked for hard-left Unions.
  • Emily Thornberry - Shadow Foreign Sec - Constant flip-flopping on Trident. 

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I did not say i supported Assad, can you tell me one war the majority of the conservative party have voted against and what about  Saddam Hussein and Colonel Gaddafi.  Everyone nearly all the Tory Party voted to go to war.  

Osborne is no longer in Government that is true but he has left the biggest legacy ever the biggest debt!!!! So big Hammond looked visibly shocked when he first came out of number 11.  

Oh and by the way did you know Trident does not work,  well it didn't last time it was tested RT News.  

I personally think we should have our own nuclear weapons independent of any other country,  Churchill did not trust anyone else thats good enough for me.      

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17 minutes ago, Pipers said:

I did not say i supported Assad, can you tell me one war the majority of the conservative party have voted against and what about  Saddam Hussein and Colonel Gaddafi.  Everyone nearly all the Tory Party voted to go to war.  

Osborne is no longer in Government that is true but he has left the biggest legacy ever the biggest debt!!!! So big Hammond looked visibly shocked when he first came out of number 11.  

Oh and by the way did you know Trident does not work,  well it didn't last time it was tested RT News.  

I personally think we should have our own nuclear weapons independent of any other country,  Churchill did not trust anyone else thats good enough for me.      

Because Labour bloody well lied to the country - 45 mins WMDs?  Where?  Labour lied, British soldiers died.

Trident: It does work... Russia Today is hardly Reuters, is it? The missile propulsion malfunctioned, that's why we test these things.  The warhead can still go boom though, don't worry.

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No good if the if the missile malfunctions bloody blow us up!!

Anyway you seem to think I am a Labour man I am not I am a swing voter, we are the ones that decide the election not the sheep.

 

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The Brits are an island nation who don't like being told what to do. That is why we left The EU.

As for this election, would I want Labour and the lunatics lurking within negotiating with hard boiled business eurocrats.....? Nope, no nu uh. They would get ripped a new one. This is not going to be about social fairness....This will be about straight up hard talking business.....it does not matter about left right up down or sky blue pink ! Who would you want negotiating in a straight business hard arse meeting on your behalf ? That is all. Politics, ironically, has nothing to do with it !

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1 hour ago, Pipers said:

I did not say i supported Assad, can you tell me one war the majority of the conservative party have voted against and what about  Saddam Hussein and Colonel Gaddafi.  Everyone nearly all the Tory Party voted to go to war.  

Osborne is no longer in Government that is true but he has left the biggest legacy ever the biggest debt!!!! So big Hammond looked visibly shocked when he first came out of number 11.  

Oh and by the way did you know Trident does not work,  well it didn't last time it was tested RT News.  

I personally think we should have our own nuclear weapons independent of any other country,  Churchill did not trust anyone else thats good enough for me.      

Of course RT would say Trident is a failure, its a Russian state controlled news network

Trident did have a recently failure, but that is the reason why these missiles are tested to begin with; you can identify issues before you actually need to use the bloody thing in real time conditions.

The UK tried it's own missile system and it turned into a failure, too big and too expensive. ie. Blue Streak.

The Conservative Manifesto isn't brilliant by any means and personally I wish there was a better party to vote for, but with the only other party coming close to gaining power being Labour the Tories are the best of bad bunch.

 

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25 minutes ago, CarlosSilver said:

 

Can you explain this to me? 

The state provides housing benefit, thus providing a minimum market rent - housing benefit is for the benefit of the landlords only. If there was no housing benefit, the market would have to provide rent priced at what the majority could afford without it. Obviously taking it away now will see many people become homeless so its here to stay. The market is skewed and will stay like as long as the state can afford it. 

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13 minutes ago, KDave said:

The state provides housing benefit, thus providing a minimum market rent - housing benefit is for the benefit of the landlords only. If there was no housing benefit, the market would have to provide rent priced at what the majority could afford without it. Obviously taking it away now will see many people become homeless so its here to stay. The market is skewed and will stay like as long as the state can afford it. 

While I can see your point, you are not 100% right. Valuations for housing benefit and local housing allowance are not determined by the state, they are determined rent officers. They have a large database of private rented properties that they use to set LHA and HB levels. The properties on this database only have tenants that are not getting HB, this ensures the market level is set by  actual paying tenants rather than HB recipients.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/rent-officer-handbook-lettings-research/lettings-research-collecting ("housing benefit data" tab)

 

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We are talking chicken and egg when it comes to the rent officers determining what level HB needs to be. You can not have a market subsidy, in this case in the form of housing benefit, without skewing the market. But I appreciate that the government has mechanisms in place so that it can insist otherwise. ;)

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Diane Abbot helped me make my mind up on who not to vote for tonight. She hasn't got a clue!

Also, having 4 nuclear submarines with letters of last resorts within their safes, instructing capatins to "do nothing" if the uk gets wiped off the face of the earth in a nuclear first strike means I can't vote for Labour. If some Iranian or North Korean nut job decided to nuke us, I'd at least want our deterrent to do what it says on the tin. 

Sadly people will vote Tory because they can't allow Abbott and Corbyn to get in with the Lib Dems and the SNP. I have a feeling Labour will inch it over the line though. 

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1 hour ago, MancunianStacker said:

Diane Abbot helped me make my mind up on who not to vote for tonight. She hasn't got a clue!

It's taken you this long to work that out?;)

The very fact she's in line for a big job in a future Labour government is good enough reason for a Conservative landslide!

Everyone should have run a mile by now.

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8 hours ago, metalslug said:

Of course RT would say Trident is a failure, its a Russian state controlled news network

Trident did have a recently failure, but that is the reason why these missiles are tested to begin with; you can identify issues before you actually need to use the bloody thing in real time conditions.

The UK tried it's own missile system and it turned into a failure, too big and too expensive. ie. Blue Streak.

The Conservative Manifesto isn't brilliant by any means and personally I wish there was a better party to vote for, but with the only other party coming close to gaining power being Labour the Tories are the best of bad bunch.

 

Yes blue Streak the European space project still uses it!

wehad other ballistic missiles, though you are quite right the USA wanted all the technology and offered the UK a so called good deal and we lost all those expert jobs ring a bell!!!

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7 hours ago, CarlosSilver said:

While I can see your point, you are not 100% right. Valuations for housing benefit and local housing allowance are not determined by the state, they are determined rent officers. They have a large database of private rented properties that they use to set LHA and HB levels. The properties on this database only have tenants that are not getting HB, this ensures the market level is set by  actual paying tenants rather than HB recipients.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/rent-officer-handbook-lettings-research/lettings-research-collecting ("housing benefit data" tab)

 

If you take into account the mean average 20% lowest earners then add tax credits you get to a figure of rent for most of the country excluding London of around £425-500 can just afford that is the benchmark so a price fix not a free market.  Single people and couples without children are F-cked they get no help so find themselves in houses of multiple occupancy, but wait if you divide a house into 4 then the figures are 800-1000 plus you have extra costs this again is a benchmark as if you go below that then dwp claimants will be in your property.  Landlords are ringing the welfare system dry at least 25 billion not the 20 billion the official figures state.

The housing unmarket is a rigged game and the sooner major house building gets underway the better.  They could make prefabricated homes on mass easy. 

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Just to make it clear to everyone if you are on tax credits you are on benefits.

Years ago the only people who got such help were very large families who's father could not earn enough from a full weeks work to feed his family. 

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9 hours ago, Oldun said:

The Brits are an island nation who don't like being told what to do. That is why we left The EU.

As for this election, would I want Labour and the lunatics lurking within negotiating with hard boiled business eurocrats.....? Nope, no nu uh. They would get ripped a new one. This is not going to be about social fairness....This will be about straight up hard talking business.....it does not matter about left right up down or sky blue pink ! Who would you want negotiating in a straight business hard arse meeting on your behalf ? That is all. Politics, ironically, has nothing to do with it !

When Red Ken was Mayor of London and transport was up for renegotiation all the bus companies thought they would make a killing out of it, they were in for a shock for red Ken had other ideas and employed the best negotiating team he could find it cost him a lot of money and there was questions asked in the usual Tory rags about him being mad. The thing was his decision was correct and the bus companies did not make the fortunes they thought they would. 

Unlike the railway's today we have Branson running a rail company that cannot lose money heads he wins tails the tax payer loses and who signed that I wonder the Tories yes thats right those hard negotiators with in the Conservative party. 

Always looking out for the National interest.  Ever asked yourself what the National interest is? 

It's not what you think!!

 

 

 

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I am talking about this election as per the title and you drift off into the past. That and the fact that you speak down to people is not appreciated. Enjoy your opinion.

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13 hours ago, MancunianStacker said:

Diane Abbot helped me make my mind up on who not to vote for tonight. She hasn't got a clue!

Also, having 4 nuclear submarines with letters of last resorts within their safes, instructing capatins to "do nothing" if the uk gets wiped off the face of the earth in a nuclear first strike means I can't vote for Labour. If some Iranian or North Korean nut job decided to nuke us, I'd at least want our deterrent to do what it says on the tin. 

Sadly people will vote Tory because they can't allow Abbott and Corbyn to get in with the Lib Dems and the SNP. I have a feeling Labour will inch it over the line though. 

I know what youre saying but its hardly likely n.korea or iran would be able to nuke the u.k. for now at least.israel,japan or australia possibly but even thats a stretch in my opinion.

Unless it was a suitcase nuke in which case you wouldnt know who did it.

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1 hour ago, SpacedMarine said:

I know what youre saying but its hardly likely n.korea or iran would be able to nuke the u.k. for now at least.israel,japan or australia possibly but even thats a stretch in my opinion.

Unless it was a suitcase nuke in which case you wouldnt know who did it.

Yeah for now. In 10 years they may have the ability and use it. Worth keeping the nukes since starting from scratch would be a nightmare. 

 

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13 hours ago, Pipers said:

Yes blue Streak the European space project still uses it!

wehad other ballistic missiles, though you are quite right the USA wanted all the technology and offered the UK a so called good deal and we lost all those expert jobs ring a bell!!!

I'm pretty sure Blue Streak is retired and not in use by anyone.

We only have our own politicians to blame for loosing these jobs, be it Labour or conservative both have not been a friend to UK manufacturing.

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