geopolitical calm

[silversky]

Is it just me or does anyone else think that the market in general is taking the current geopolitical situation rather sanguinely?  Particularly the market in PM's.

I realise that there is a very low chance of le pen winning in France and that this has bolstered the argument that Europe is stable for now, however, there is a very real possibility of a serious war with a nuclear armed North Korea developing.  I remember only too well the kind of rhetoric used prior to the last full scale war that the USA and UK entered into and the type of talk going around now is remarkably similar.  My feeling, for want of a better word, is that a case is being built for war and that it is more likely than not that some form of conflict with North Korea will break out this year.  It would appear that there is simply a degree of verbal manoeuvring going on right now to make it happen in a way that is acceptable to most people.

I note that another ballistic missile test has just been conducted(after markets closed) which again mysteriously failed we are assured before leaving North Korean territory.  I'm left wondering if any of the more exotic anti missile tech programs that have been worked on for way more than a decade now might actually be stationed just outside North Korea?  Perhaps even whether some of the more outlandish projects actually work to a degree?  I'm not talking about the Thaad system although that might also be operational now by the sounds of things but rather some of the other projects that have been worked on quietly for decades.  Perhaps the long mothballed 747 airborne laser weapons are in fact in operation in another more secret form?  Who knows whether the second failure is down to third party interference or just simply poor ballistic missile technology on the part of the North Koreans.  Many countries have the know how to produce IC ballistic missile systems and it seems hard to believe that the North Koreans haven't so far got a hold of the plans to do so successfully.  I guess I hope that the failure is down to the lack of tech on the North Koreans side but I find myself equally hoping that a real system actually exists for preventing them from actually launching an all out war.

It's certainly an interesting time and I'm amazed the markets in general are so calm about it all.

What effect do people think this will have on the PM price moving forward on Monday?

Cheers

[KDave]

 

6 hours ago, silversky said:

Is it just me or does anyone else think that the market in general is taking the current geopolitical situation rather sanguinely?  Particularly the market in PM's.

It's certainly an interesting time and I'm amazed the markets in general are so calm about it all.

The central banks are in control of the world now; bad news is good news, any dip in market prices caused by human death and suffering is just a buying opportunity. Just 'buy the f**kin' dip' (if there even is one ever again) and you can't go wrong. FTSE 15,000 here we come! 

[Micky9776]

This is the latest picture of the failed missile attempt by North Korea...

[sixgun]

Almost everything you have been told is a lie or a lie repeated in ignorance. 

Western powers have been destabilising Syria for years. Assad is the elected leader of his people. He is not gassing them or barrel bombing them [whatever invention that is]. We know in the previous attempt to implicate him in gassing his people it was shown the raw materials for the 'gas' came from the UK. That the gas was made by the Western organised terrorists [moderate rebels]. There are no moderate rebels, there are simply Western-financed and trained mercenaries. The whole business with terrorists is a psyop. Al Queda was started by the CIA in Afghanistan. Bin Laden [aka Tim Osman] worked for the CIA and died in Saudia Arabia in 2001 from longstanding kidney failure. He had nothing to do with 9/11. 

Most of the cruise missiles in the recent 'attack' on Syria did not hit the airbase in the middle of the desert, that may well not even be used. Where did they land if they were even launched? We see no planes blown up. The runways were not hit. The Russians were given advanced warning whilst Trump was eating chocolate cake with the Chinese leader at his golf course in Florida. 

North Korea is the stage for some sort of farce. It borders China. The Chinese could take the country in a heartbeat. The North Koreans do not have missiles that work properly. They are said to have nuclear weapons but that is highly doubtful. The Chinese would not allow that. These nukes might land in China and the Chinese do not want radiation spreading into China. The idea the North Koreans have nuclear-armed missiles that actually work is farcical, let alone weapons that could land in the US. 

The US are said to be sending warships to Korea. They haven't. It is just something in the media, something they say so they can say something. 

I follow nearly all the financial announcements. I watch the BBC news. I do both to see what they are lying about. 

The civil war in Syria could be over in a few weeks. Nothing other than some sort of theatre with actors is going on in North Korea. All the stuff about terrorists is orchestrated by the Secret Services. The markets are primarily operated by computers which plot levels on the charts they then sell billions of units between. There need to be terrorists so the governments can introduce more and more controls on the people. There need to be real but mainly phoney wars to give a reason for the military industrial complex. There need to be these events [and celebrity culture, junk tel-lie-vision etc] to distract people from the fact they are being robbed blind and lied to. 

The game is to extract value from the people. Issue currency out of thin air which people work for. Have people 'save' this currency but at the same time issue more of it so there is inflation. Inflation gradually reduces the value of the currency saved by the people and so steals from them. To build up the price of assets, have the people put their currency into these and then dump the prices. This steals from the people.

i can see what the media and government tell us in their data does not make sense. We are supposed to have been in a recovery since 2009. The economies are supposed to be doing well. The UK is supposed for example to have the 5th largest economy in the world. Does that sound right to you?

There is so much debt and Western industrial production has run down so much, the systems in the West are unstable. This is all predictable, so likely is deliberate. There will be a trigger for the collapse. A war nicely covers the sins of the fat controllers. The markets are at levels that are unreal, they are not reacting to reality. Gold and silver should be many times higher than they are b/c they are real money. We see corporations that are not making anything but losses supposed to be worth $billions. A balloon looks big but has next to nothing of substance to it. It is a facade. When it gets popped it is gone and you discover your money and pensions have gone with it. 

Keep stacking real money.

[Scuzzle]

I really think there is no such thing as free market capitalism any more and everything is manipulated and done with the click of a mouse.  They send out politicians to spin the narrative, Le Pen looks like being defeated so the markets like this etc. and then they press the mouse button and send the markets in whichever direction they want.  Sometimes they make it go in the direction it's supposed to go in then about face it and march it off in competely the opposite direction.

 

This North Korea tension can't be about North Korea as they are doing nothing different than they were 2,4,6 years ago, making threatening noises to the US and trying to make them pick on someone else to regime change before them.  More likely it is about getting the US debt ceiling raised as requiring a wartime buget or about destabilising the Chinese and the New Silk Road as these are more tangible threats to the US empire and Dollar hegemony than the North Koreans are.

[sixgun]

46 minutes ago, Scuzzle said:

This North Korea tension can't be about North Korea as they are doing nothing different than they were 2,4,6 years ago, making threatening noises to the US.....

 

 

Have you ever heard a speech from the North Korean leaders? i just listened to the translation of one from Kim Jong Un. It said nothing. i have no idea if the translation is correct. 

All you actually hear is the controlled media saying North Korea is making threatening noises. What i have heard is they keep asking for talks with the West. The only threats come from the US. The offer of talks is always refused b/c if there were any talks it would be apparent there is no threat. There must always be a boogie man.

[silversky]

It certainly all looks like one giant charade!  Whatever the game is really about, the different actors all have one thing in common.  They will all be playing an obfuscation game.  I see the truth as being just like an onion.  Multiple layers of deception are employed to keep it shielded until it's so far into the past it becomes irrelevant.

All of the recent middle eastern adventures have been run using that methodology.  Whatever the hidden purpose, I believe it's highly likely that some form of intervention is coming in North Korea either from the US, the Chinese or both.  It's certainly an interesting turn up to be sold the story that the US and China are now acting as best mates.

That fact alone means there's a huge paradigm shift underway.

The last time reality was being suspended this blatantly there was a big war game being prepared and I expect another one is on the cards this year.

[Scuzzle]

I can't see the Chinese falling for anything the US says, the Russians fell for the NATO not expanding East line and I can't see the Chinese taking out North Korea just for the US to put in a puppet government and move it's missile shield in to encircle China even more.  They may be appearing to play ball but I think Putin and the Chinese still have the measure of the US.

[KDave]

North Korea is perhaps the most militarised nations on the planet. A military that consists of brainwashed fanatics, backed up by a population of brainwashed fanatics who can and will be conscripted in the millions. Any war involving this population is going to end in nothing short of a bloodbath for all sides involved, in my opinion.

The only realistic option to intervene in North Korea is for it to be an inside job to remove god emperor Kim jong un. Even that would probably be a bloodbath coup too. No direct intervention by outside military forces is going to end well. I can't see it happening unless by accident, of which the chances of such increase with every battle group Trump sends across the pacific. Regardless don't think its likely.

I guess the markets don't think its likely either. They were more worried by Le Pen if recent action is anything to go by. Even if war does break out it will probably just cause a little bit of a dip, then people will buy the f**kin dip again and everything will be fine. 

[silversky]

This link below is an interesting take on it all.  Not sure I believe it but it's certainly an upcoming force.

I was watching some music vids on youtube from the 90's today and was struck by how many posters were saying just how unhappy they are now.  So many wished they could go back to the 90's and naughties and feel the kind of hope that they felt back then.  Obviously as people get older they long for their youthful exuberance etc. but the thing that really struck me was that a whole bunch of people who claim to be much younger were also expressing a lack of hope.  It strikes me that perhaps this happens in every generation but I'm really not so sure.  This time it's different?  Maybe actually because of AI.

I realise this is all a bit off topic from my original post but I think it ties in with the whole fake news and manipulation angle mentioned in the replies.

Cheers

 

[Paul]

Whenever I hear any mention of North Korea it always brings memories of George Orwells 1984 back and his Newspeak

Newspeak was the language of Oceania, a fictional totalitarian state ruled by the Party, who created the language to meet the ideological requirements of English Socialism

In George Orwell's world of Nineteen Eighty-Four, Newspeak is a controlled language, of restricted grammar and limited vocabulary, a linguistic design meant to limit the freedom of thought—personal identity, self-expression, free will

Anything that ideologically threatens the régime of Big Brother and the Party, who thus criminalised such concepts as 'thought crime'

Newspeak usage follows most of the English grammar, yet is a language characterised by a continually diminishing vocabulary, complete thoughts reduced to simple terms of simplistic meaning.

The long-term political purpose of the new language is for every member of the Party and society, except the Proles—the working-class of Oceania—to exclusively communicate in Newspeak

All info we get on North Korea come from a tiny number of news sources, how can we even be sure the pictures they show us are real ?

Always ask " Who seeks to benefit if I believe what I am being told the narrative I am being fed here ?

It is just the Illusion of Choice, 90% of American Media Controlled by six mega corporations : General Electric, News Corp., Disney, Viacom, Time Warner and CBS. 

This, of course, means that unless you’re already consciously avoiding these mainline media sources, then most of the news and entertainment that makes it onto your screen and into your mind comes from a small pool of corporate sources, all of which play important roles in delivering propaganda, social programming and perpetual crisis narratives to the public.

All are corporations that have their own shady histories, dealings and suspicious actors. 

Surveying what is available for consumption in the mass media, it is easy to see what type of society these 6 corporations are helping to construct. 

They have the power to warp reality by calling staged shows ‘reality’ shows. 

Ideas which don’t support mainstream narratives and the consumer agenda are omitted, and stories about independent people over-coming strife without dependence on government are seldom if ever elevated.

The promotion of shallow, materialistic, ego-centric values, and the obvious dumbing down of the population is coming from these 6 corporations. 

Think about that. These are the companies that glorify consumption, obedience, ignorance, the hyper-sexualization of youth, the glorification and acceptance of war and government surveillance, and so on. 

They instill into us WE are the goodies, and the ones with brown skins are the BADDIES

The bottom line is that corporate media is a behemoth of special interests and mind controllers. 

 

[sixgun]

This video is a bit of a struggle as it is all in Dutch but worth watching. Nothing here new to me other than where he says there are 8000 - 85000 running the world. i first came across this when a body language woman was analysing what he is saying. She sees it all as genuine.

 

[sbxsat]

North Korea has a nuclear arsenal. We know this based on the fact that, 1) they have tested it underground previously resulting in tremors that have been picked up by seismologists and 2) the US has not attacked North Korea and is choosing diplomacy instead. Sanctions after sanctions but never invasion/pre-emptive strike.

The US generally do not attack/invade any country that can fight back (with nuclear weapons). You only need to look at the countries that have been invaded, e.g. Iraq, Lybia and Syria. These countries do not have a nuclear deterrent hence they become easy targets for the US to flex their military might. First the US pushes the UN security council to put sanctions on these countries then they invade once these countries have been weakened through political instability and economic crisis.

North Korea's philosophy (and there is logic in that) is if they stockpile a nuclear arsenal (it does not matter if the nuclear missiles cannot reach the US, it only needs to travel into South Korea where US bases are), foreign powers would not attack them. The US not invading or pre-emptively striking North Korea is proof of that. Look at Iran, it does not have any nuclear deterrent so factories in Iran that have any capability of manufacturing nuclear parts become target practice for Israeli and US jets. If Iran had nuclear weapons, Israel and the US would not dare fly their jets into Iran's airspace with such abandon. They would choose the diplomatic route instead.

On Syria, Assad has no reason to gas his own people. Government forces, with the help of Russia, have already reclaimed much of the lost territory from Western-backed rebels. RT, a pro-Russian news outlet have argued that the gas released was due to factories being bombed by Western forces resulting in several otherwise isolated and non-lethal compounds reacting with each other.

The US foreign policy has always been to safeguard national interest and by national interest I mean lining their pockets. They invade other countries on grounds of national security but in fact, it is just a smoke screen to loot other nation's natural resources. Look at 9/11, why invade Iraq? 3/4 of the hijackers are Saudi nationals. They won't attack Saudi Arabia because the Saudis sell oil to the US at a discounted rate. Thus, Iraq becomes the scapegoat. The US gets to hit out at someone after 9/11 and also claim the lucrative reconstruction contracts post-war.

The worse atrocities I would argue are those committed by the Israeli government against the Palestinians. Watch this presentation if you are interested in learning more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6cMKlQIUyg 

The presentation is made by a Canadian journalist (that some parties try very hard to discredit) and shows what mainstream media do not report.

 

P/S: I am not against the US, just their foreign policy