whats this all about?

[greendragon]

anybody know why this would be stamped like this?

just curious, its not Arabic for "made in china" is it?

[CosmikDebris]

Gold coins are sometimes copied for jewellery purposes, could be a makers mark and/or a mark to signify that it is fake? Notice how the features around the beard are very soft. I could be wrong of course.

[NewMSmatist15]

I've never seen a sovereign counter-stamped like this. Is this in a slab? Does the auction house make a comment about the mark?

[CosmikDebris]

No detail in the hair either.

[greendragon]

6 minutes ago, NewMSmatist15 said:

I've never seen a sovereign counter-stamped like this. Is this in a slab? Does the auction house make a comment about the mark?

no detail other than gold half sovereign

from experience , even if you ask, a lot of auctioneers say "dunno"

[sixgun]

i see Chard has a page with a sovereign with Arabic counter marks - they say it is a fake. @sovereignstevewould perhaps be able to tell us what this is all about

https://24carat.co.uk/frame.php?url=fakes1.html

[sovereignsteve]

16 minutes ago, sixgun said:

i see Chard has a page with a sovereign with Arabic counter marks - they say it is a fake. @sovereignstevewould perhaps be able to tell us what this is all about

https://24carat.co.uk/frame.php?url=fakes1.html

I've seen a few of these before. This taken from the Chard article says it all really. (If you object to me quoting here @ChardLizzie, just say so and I'll take it down.)

"Many sovereign fakes emanate from the Middle East, were the sovereign still circulates today as a popular bullion coin. Most of these fakes are obvious, and are stamped with Arabic numerals or other marks indicating the fact that they are replicas, due to the often extremely harsh penalties for counterfeiting, however, others are more deceptive, and have to be examined more closely."

I've learnt much of what I know about fakes reading from Chards' webpages and speaking to Lawrence.

 

 

[LittleJohnSilver]

If in doubt, treat as fake.

[greendragon]

i suppose technically its a reproduction though 

and so legal to sell at auction

 

someone likes it,it has bids

[ChardsCoinandBullionDealer]

6 hours ago, sovereignsteve said:

I've seen a few of these before. This taken from the Chard article says it all really. (If you object to me quoting here @ChardLizzie, just say so and I'll take it down.)

"Many sovereign fakes emanate from the Middle East, were the sovereign still circulates today as a popular bullion coin. Most of these fakes are obvious, and are stamped with Arabic numerals or other marks indicating the fact that they are replicas, due to the often extremely harsh penalties for counterfeiting, however, others are more deceptive, and have to be examined more closely."

I've learnt much of what I know about fakes reading from Chards' webpages and speaking to Lawrence.

 

 

Yes, as above. We have seen lots of photos recently from sellers in Turkey and the Middle East often saying that they have several hundred sovereigns for sale. Needless to say these are highly unlikely to be genuine. Any fake coins that we buy go into our Black Museum of fake coins - some are obvious fakes but some are very sneaky! Great for training purposes though.

[Kman]

27 minutes ago, ChardLizzie said:

Yes, as above. We have seen lots of photos recently from sellers in Turkey and the Middle East often saying that they have several hundred sovereigns for sale. Needless to say these are highly unlikely to be genuine. Any fake coins that we buy go into our Black Museum of fake coins - some are obvious fakes but some are very sneaky! Great for training purposes though.

Is there a most faked year?

From the little I know the 1887 seems to be popular to fake 

[ChardsCoinandBullionDealer]

18 hours ago, Kman said:

Is there a most faked year?

From the little I know the 1887 seems to be popular to fake 

Yes, 1887 is a common one especially for the five sovereign piece /quintuple sovereign. The photos that we are getting from Turkey are mainly 1923 and 1926 but we have also seen most years between 1911-1918. Even from the photos they are obviously not genuine.

[greendragon]

On 03/04/2018 at 16:10, ChardLizzie said:

Yes, 1887 is a common one especially for the five sovereign piece /quintuple sovereign. The photos that we are getting from Turkey are mainly 1923 and 1926 but we have also seen most years between 1911-1918. Even from the photos they are obviously not genuine.

like this?

[ChardsCoinandBullionDealer]

Haven't personally seen that type, shocking isn't it.

 

[greendragon]

6 hours ago, ChardLizzie said:

Haven't personally seen that type, shocking isn't it.

 

one for your black museum . item will have ended now,last time i checked it was around £240

by the way, bought my first two sovereigns from you weekend just gone.

good service, nice price and lovely coins. thank you

[ChardsCoinandBullionDealer]

On 4/12/2018 at 16:39, greendragon said:

one for your black museum . item will have ended now,last time i checked it was around £240

by the way, bought my first two sovereigns from you weekend just gone.

good service, nice price and lovely coins. thank you

Thank you, that's great to hear.