Hungary repatriates 100,000 ounces of gold stored in London

[Murph]

Why wouldn't they just have bars made with the same numbers if the old ones are melted and they wanted to pull the wool over the owners eyes?  Why would the owners publicise this if they are all in some big cover up together?  Wouldn't they just say "nothing to see here, move along".  

[augur]

20 minutes ago, Murph said:

Why wouldn't they just have bars made with the same numbers if the old ones are melted and they wanted to pull the wool over the owners eyes?  Why would the owners publicise this if they are all in some big cover up together?  Wouldn't they just say "nothing to see here, move along".  

Apparently this is not necessary. We happily live in the fiction, the "free press" of the "free world" creates. The German Government is under US control, remember that Merkel's phone was tapped by Obama? And the government didn't publicise that they got different bars, they only admitted it after a public enquiry. 

[sixgun]

44 minutes ago, Murph said:

Why wouldn't they just have bars made with the same numbers if the old ones are melted and they wanted to pull the wool over the owners eyes?  Why would the owners publicise this if they are all in some big cover up together?  Wouldn't they just say "nothing to see here, move along".  

They don't care. They have no respect. They think they are untouchable. They will never give the gold back.

[Martlet]

6 hours ago, augur said:

A German citizenship can be acquired by descent from ancestors who were born pre 1914 in a German State (Prussia, Bavaria, Saxonia etc.) within the borders of 1939.

Only if you are able to provide birth and marriage certificates of your ancestors tracing back to 1914 a certificate of a German Nationality/Citizenship (Staatsangehörigkeitsausweis) will be issued. Otherwise you can only claim a certificate that you have declared yourself German or that the authorities have treated you as if you were a German. 

This applies to anyone born in Germany or those born elsewhere wanting to claim German citizenship?  I realised a long time ago that concept of nationality and citizenship differ from country to country, something that been highlighted in our little Brexit debacle.  Some significant problems stem from us having different concepts to other nations but applying their rules to our system.  

 

[augur]

Now it becomes tricky...

Just to wrap it up: there are only about 5 million Germans. There are over 100 million holders of a german passport. 

The passport of the Federal Republic of Germany is a travel document, a photo ID. Germans are by law obligated to always carry an ID on them (sounds a bit like an occupied country, doesn't it?). The Federal  Passport or the German ID card Personalausweis (which actually translates personell card) are proof of identity but not nationality. Being born in Germany to "German" parents does not make you German because they only are passport holders but not German Nationals. Anyone doubting that can check the marriage certificate of the parents - there won't be an entry in the field "nationality" unless a parent had a foreign nationality.

Now to acquire just the passport is a different thing. Yet most nations will agree that you loose your original nationality if you take on another e.g. a British Passport. With the Brexit any European who has no British Passport will loose their rights if they leave the country for more than 2 years. Only a British Passport will protect the rights indefinite. So most will really have to weigh their options. 

In the case of the Federal Republic of Germany you can keep your passport if the application is made for another passport of an EU member state. In the case of the German Nationality this will be lost as with most nationalities if you actively seek to become a member of another state.

I am not sure what happened to the British Nationalities (England, Scotland, Wales and (Northern?) Ireland) as it seems they were replaced by a citizenship. Although these terms tend to be used synonymously, they are fundamentally different in terms of where the power devolved from: the nationality comes from the natural right of a natural person (natio/born) while the citizenship is granted from a legal entity/person (city).

Disclaimer: I am no lawyer and not fit to give legal advice. Please seek professional help if you need advice on nationality or citizenship law.

[PansPurse]

Ok so this is actually an argument over symantics, rather than suggesting there's some kind of giant lake where the maps say Germany is.

[augur]

Well actually it is about countries starting to pull out their gold from the big Central Banks and the question if there will be any left if you are late to the party.

Hungary just wants 3 t. When Germany requested 300 tons, they only got 5 tons in the first year. Can you trust the Central Banks if your holdings cannot be checked and it takes 4 years to withdraw 20% of your stack and 50% of your stack has to stay put? Is it fair to assume that the bank might have invested your stack, especially if some of your stack got "molten and recast"?

[Martlet]

55 minutes ago, PansPurse said:

Ok so this is actually an argument over symantics, rather than suggesting there's some kind of giant lake where the maps say Germany is.

Or semantics

(couldnt resist)

 

[kimchi]

58 minutes ago, Martlet said:

Or semantics

(couldnt resist)

 

You pydant!