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Hungary repatriates 100,000 ounces of gold stored in London


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1 hour ago, augur said:

Every gold bar has a serial number making it unique. The central banks are supposed to keep your bars as a custodian and return them on request or make them available for audit. In case of the German Gold, the bars returned had different numbers and were produced rather recently. The fact that the FED won't allow an audit of the German Gold leads to the assumption that the original bars have been melted and sold. (It even seems that only one selected vault of US gold has been assessed in the last decades)

Since you cannot trace a melted down bar it is impossible to say where it is now. Most likely those gobbling up physical gold like China and Russia will hold a proportion.

Thank you and @sixgun for the response. 

On the point about serial numbers and the original gold, I dont see this matters as gold is fungible.  I understand the potential implications, was/is there any agreement that gold owned (in this quantity) is tied to specific bars rather than simply weight?  I recall the story about the tungsten filled bars and re-read an article about that, highlighting gold circulates, bars are expected to be brought and sold, melted for use, recast to size or spec.  I suppose sovereign hordes wouldn't be expected to enter this side of the market.  How much is heresay vs actual issues?

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1 hour ago, sixgun said:

The gold is gone. G - O -N - E

A slave or a puppet does not make demands. One could say Germany is still at war - WWII never ended - the National Socialist government never surrendered. Germany is under occupation. Germany does not really exist. When you have to prove you are connected to a Germany before 1914 to be a German citizen, then it makes me think this is b/c there is nothing to connect to today. Germany ceased to exist so there is nothing to connect to, only a past entity, the Imperial state prior to 1914.

Nope, Germany is definitely a real place. I've been there, the curry wurst was lovely.

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This thread for me just took a turn for the worst.

After opening that link about the Siberian gold falling incident, I saw a link that says Jim Davidson is dead.

Well that's put a serious bummer on my day :-(

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30 minutes ago, Martlet said:

On the point about serial numbers and the original gold, I dont see this matters as gold is fungible.  I understand the potential implications, was/is there any agreement that gold owned (in this quantity) is tied to specific bars rather than simply weight?  I recall the story about the tungsten filled bars and re-read an article about that, highlighting gold circulates, bars are expected to be brought and sold, melted for use, recast to size or spec.  I suppose sovereign hordes wouldn't be expected to enter this side of the market.  How much is heresay vs actual issues?

The gold (spoils of war) was sent out of the occupied territory (advertised as land previously known as a sovereign Germany) for safe keeping. Many countries' gold are held in the BoE and the US for 'safe keeping'. This gold has been used to suppress the price of gold and support the the illusion of fiat currency. Much of it is gone.

The 'German' gold presumably was melted down. i will say it was melted down so it could not be recognised as German gold. It is gone. The government of the occupied territory wanted the gold back. This was refused, then they were told they would have to wait.... a long time. If other gold bars were returned not a big issue, not best practice but gold was returned. BUT the gold is gone and the cupboard is all but empty. Some recently made bars (dare i say someone else's gold that got melted down) were returned. Most of the gold cannot be returned. It is gone and an excuse is given. That different and recently cast bars were returned is highly significant.

@PansPurse you did not ask a clued in German - auger. You went to an occupied territory with a label on it that says Germany. A territory that was Germany and hopefully one day will regain sovereignty. i say everything you have been told by 'authority' is a lie. If the truth came out there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, PansPurse said:

Dude, the Berlin wall came down like thirty years ago :wacko:

Just this week auger [a German] wrote to me:

" Further...it appears that no German State has been created after WWI: To become recognised as a German Citizen i had to trace and prove my bloodline back to 1914 Imperial Germany; otherwise I would remain a stateless passport holder "equal in rights" to a German" 

Dude as i say everything authority tells you is a lie.

Always cast your vote - Spoil your ballot slip. Put 'Spoilt Ballot - I do not consent.' These votes are counted. If you do not do this you are consenting to the tyranny. None of them are fit for purpose. 
A tyranny relies on propaganda and force. Once the propaganda fails all that's left is force.

COVID-19 is a cover story for the collapsing economy. Green Energy isn't Green and it isn't Renewable.

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3 hours ago, sixgun said:

There is no United States either, that got wound up in the 1933 bankruptcy by the receivers - the international banking cartel. Everything is a lie, it is all an illusion.

Bravo !  A succinct nutshell statement of how the world is really when you dig a little deeper of how the world really is

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Couldn't he just present his birth certificate as most people do?

Technically, alcohol is a solution..

'It [socialism] poses a growing threat, however unintentional, to the freedom of this country, for there is no freedom where the State totally controls the economy. Personal freedom and economic freedom are indivisible. You can’t have one without the other. You can’t lose one without losing the other.'

"There is no such thing as public money, there is only taxpayers' money"

Let not England forget her precedence of teaching nations how to live.

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18 minutes ago, Roy said:

Couldn't he just present his birth certificate as most people do?

The Berthing (birth) certificate in the UK documents discharge of cargo. The parents register the NAME. The legal fiction. Notice the document is Crown Copyright. At that moment you are Crown property. Registration hands the property (baby) to the Crown. When a car is registered it becomes a Crown vehicle. It is a commercial vessel. You must be a licenced driver, you must put taxed fuel in it, you must pay road tax, you must have the vehicle tested. You are a registered keeper. If you do not follow the rules the vehicle will be taken and crushed. The Crown can do this b/c it is not your property. The same goes for your child. This is why Social Services can come in to take the child. As a parent you have parental responsibilities. You are looking after Crown property.

The NAME is subject to legislation and taxes. Only the Common Law applies to man or woman. An unregistered man cannot be taxed, they cannot be subject to legislation. They do not exist in the legal system. There is no NAME. No man or woman may be taxed but if the man 'chooses' to work under the NAME and uses the number of the NAME (NI number) then this is by permission of the Crown and the Crown will take whatever proportion  of the income it deems fit.

A birth certificate would be a registration document with what/whom? The German States does not exist. As auger points out you are stateless. You can never be German in the legal sense b/c there is no Germany.

i realise this sounds completely crazy but this is b/c you will never be told the truth or else there would be a revolution by tomorrow morning.

Always cast your vote - Spoil your ballot slip. Put 'Spoilt Ballot - I do not consent.' These votes are counted. If you do not do this you are consenting to the tyranny. None of them are fit for purpose. 
A tyranny relies on propaganda and force. Once the propaganda fails all that's left is force.

COVID-19 is a cover story for the collapsing economy. Green Energy isn't Green and it isn't Renewable.

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1 hour ago, sixgun said:

 

@PansPurse you did not ask a clued in German - auger. You went to an occupied territory with a label on it that says Germany. A territory that was Germany and hopefully one day will regain sovereignty.

 

Must confess, and i don't mean to sound frivolous, that first -this confuses me, and second -this worries me because Germany never really got the hang of knowing when to call a halt to the whole regaining thing, once they began.

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So what about all the Germans that hold a German Passport? 

Technically, alcohol is a solution..

'It [socialism] poses a growing threat, however unintentional, to the freedom of this country, for there is no freedom where the State totally controls the economy. Personal freedom and economic freedom are indivisible. You can’t have one without the other. You can’t lose one without losing the other.'

"There is no such thing as public money, there is only taxpayers' money"

Let not England forget her precedence of teaching nations how to live.

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Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack this thread but since the question came up:

40 minutes ago, Roy said:

Couldn't he just present his birth certificate as most people do?

A German citizenship can be acquired by descent from ancestors who were born pre 1914 in a German State (Prussia, Bavaria, Saxonia etc.) within the borders of 1939.

Only if you are able to provide birth and marriage certificates of your ancestors tracing back to 1914 a certificate of a German Nationality/Citizenship (Staatsangehörigkeitsausweis) will be issued. Otherwise you can only claim a certificate that you have declared yourself German or that the authorities have treated you as if you were a German. 

You can run the official instructions on how to file an application for recognition of a German Citizenship through google translate if you want. 

http://www.bva.bund.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/BVA/Staatsangehörigkeit/Feststellung/Merkblatt_Feststellung.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=2

19 minutes ago, Roy said:

So what about all the Germans that hold a German Passport? 

They are just that: passport holders (without a nationality)

Neither ID nor passport are proof of German Nationality. Only the certificate of a German Nationality is proof of such. 

This is an official statement of the parliaments of one of the defunct German States stating just that. 

https://www.landtag-bw.de/files/live/sites/LTBW/files/dokumente/WP16/Drucksachen/1000/16_1883_D.pdf

 

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So they don't have to pay income tax?

Technically, alcohol is a solution..

'It [socialism] poses a growing threat, however unintentional, to the freedom of this country, for there is no freedom where the State totally controls the economy. Personal freedom and economic freedom are indivisible. You can’t have one without the other. You can’t lose one without losing the other.'

"There is no such thing as public money, there is only taxpayers' money"

Let not England forget her precedence of teaching nations how to live.

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2 hours ago, PansPurse said:

Dude, the Berlin wall came down like thirty years ago :wacko:

Indeed. In 1989 the wall came down and the German Democratic Republic (no sovereign state) was integrated into the Federal Republic of Germany (no sovereign state). 

In 1994 this law here was published stating in section 2 that "All rights and obligations [...] of the Allied Authorities in or in respect of Berlin are and shall remain valid [...].

https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/blob/243666/336118af85b32b909d4960dac6289761/vertragstextbgbl-data.pdf

3 hours ago, PansPurse said:

Nope, Germany is definitely a real place. I've been there, the curry wurst was lovely.

You had your Currywurst in occupied territory. In this territory, under full allied control, Merkel pretends to exercise the will of the German passport holders. 

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10 minutes ago, PansPurse said:

Germany is a federal parliamentary republic, here's a link to the text of the German constitution:

http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/gg/BJNR000010949.html

And the official translation into English:

https://www.btg-bestellservice.de/pdf/80201000.pdf

I am sorry to disappoint you but the Grundgesetz is no constitution (the Grundgesetz/Basic Law was formed in 1949 to reorganise the occupied western territories)

Article 146
[Duration of the Basic Law]
This Basic Law, which since the achievement of the unity and freedom of Germany applies to the entire German people, shall cease to apply on the day on which a constitution freely adopted by the German people takes effect. 

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A quick wiki/German government website look says it's nationalisation laws, like many other countries are based on jus soli and sanguinis and make it look far easier than tracing your ancestry back to the old Germanic states.

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If you are few and what to control the many you do this by deception. You do this by a form of mind control. They do this through their legal system. Everything has been corporatised. We are in a Fascist state, the union of State and corporations. You so brainwash the people they become incapable to recognising what is really happening.

Some people will believe the propaganda. Let those who would be fooled, be fooled.

We see this nonsense about the Russian gassing. The event happened down the road from Porton Down. i see this centre for chemical and biological warfare is to get a £48 million boost following this alleged attack. This is the place where British people were killed.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/10/dark-past-porton-secret-nerve-agent-tests-led-death-serviceman/

That of course is only the tip of the iceberg.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/how-the-british-government-subjected-thousands-of-people-to-chemical-and-biological-warfare-trials-10376411.html

We will remember the weapons of mass destruction. Iraq had been inspected and had got rid of its weapons. Russia destroyed its chemical weapons and this was confirmed.

The UK government claims two Russian nationals were poisoned with nerve gas. They suspect it was Russia. They say only a state could produce such an agent. They would no doubt use a facility like the one just down the road from the alleged event. This comes from a government that was involved in the supply of nerve gas used in Syria that was blamed on Assad.

The Russians want samples and want to do a joint investigation. The UK has refused to provide evidence. The UK has refused to follow international protocol in these incident.

The victims of the event are allegedly in a coma so cannot speak, that is if they were ever gassed or if they are alive.

i did hear this chap was somehow involved with Clinton and this will seal some lips. Whatever it is farcical. i fully expect the UK has done this to create an incident.

We are run by corporations attempting to take total control. The councils are all corporations, the government, the utilities, the courts, the licensing authorities, Parliament. This is almost endless. We all have a legal fiction. These are legal persons. A corporation is a legal person. We are corporations.

Every man and woman is sovereign and is only answerable to God and God's Laws. In the Queen's Coronation Oath the Archbishop asks "Will you to the utmost of your power maintain the Laws of God....." She answered I will. This is the Common law. She has not honoured her oath. What the corporate State has done is to convince people they are their legal fiction and so can be controlled through the legal framework. Once the man believes he is the legal fiction he can be controlled, he can be used and destroyed, He can be owned.

Government does not work for the people. Government only works for the corporations to control and parasitise from us.

Always cast your vote - Spoil your ballot slip. Put 'Spoilt Ballot - I do not consent.' These votes are counted. If you do not do this you are consenting to the tyranny. None of them are fit for purpose. 
A tyranny relies on propaganda and force. Once the propaganda fails all that's left is force.

COVID-19 is a cover story for the collapsing economy. Green Energy isn't Green and it isn't Renewable.

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6 minutes ago, Murph said:

A quick wiki/German government website look says it's nationalisation laws, like many other countries are based on jus soli and sanguinis and make it look far easier than tracing your ancestry back to the old Germanic states.

I really don't want to make this thread about what Germany is or pretends to be. 

Check Part 4. on the official guidance to get officially recognised German. The German Nationality law is ius sanguini and added ius soli after 2000 only for children of foreigners residing in Germany. As a German you have to prove your ancestry back to 1914.

http://www.bva.bund.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/BVA/Staatsangehörigkeit/Feststellung/Merkblatt_Feststellung.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=2

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4 hours ago, Martlet said:

Thank you and @sixgun for the response. 

On the point about serial numbers and the original gold, I dont see this matters as gold is fungible.  I understand the potential implications, was/is there any agreement that gold owned (in this quantity) is tied to specific bars rather than simply weight?  I recall the story about the tungsten filled bars and re-read an article about that, highlighting gold circulates, bars are expected to be brought and sold, melted for use, recast to size or spec.  I suppose sovereign hordes wouldn't be expected to enter this side of the market.  How much is heresay vs actual issues?

Imagine you deposit your Metalor silver bars in the safe of a company. They will be put in sealed bags. After decades you request to check if the bars are still there and you are told that is not possible. You then want your silver bars back and you are told that it will take a few years and you only will get part back. The silver bars you receive are not Metalor but Umicore. Would you be concerned that the other bars may not be in the sealed bags any more but gone?

The FED will place the gold holdings of a government in a sealed vault. They don't charge for their service. But somehow you can neither check if your gold is still in the vault and withdrawals are cumbersome. And when you finally get some, it's someone else's. 

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48 minutes ago, sixgun said:

If you are few and what to control the many you do this by deception. You do this by a form of mind control. They do this through their legal system. Everything has been corporatised. We are in a Fascist state, the union of State and corporations. You so brainwash the people they become incapable to recognising what is really happening.

Some people will believe the propaganda. Let those who would be fooled, be fooled.

We see this nonsense about the Russian gassing. The event happened down the road from Porton Down. i see this centre for chemical and biological warfare is to get a £48 million boost following this alleged attack. This is the place where British people were killed.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/10/dark-past-porton-secret-nerve-agent-tests-led-death-serviceman/

That of course is only the tip of the iceberg.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/how-the-british-government-subjected-thousands-of-people-to-chemical-and-biological-warfare-trials-10376411.html

We will remember the weapons of mass destruction. Iraq had been inspected and had got rid of its weapons. Russia destroyed its chemical weapons and this was confirmed.

The UK government claims two Russian nationals were poisoned with nerve gas. They suspect it was Russia. They say only a state could produce such an agent. They would no doubt use a facility like the one just down the road from the alleged event. This comes from a government that was involved in the supply of nerve gas used in Syria that was blamed on Assad.

The Russians want samples and want to do a joint investigation. The UK has refused to provide evidence. The UK has refused to follow international protocol in these incident.

The victims of the event are allegedly in a coma so cannot speak, that is if they were ever gassed or if they are alive.

i did hear this chap was somehow involved with Clinton and this will seal some lips. Whatever it is farcical. i fully expect the UK has done this to create an incident.

We are run by corporations attempting to take total control. The councils are all corporations, the government, the utilities, the courts, the licensing authorities, Parliament. This is almost endless. We all have a legal fiction. These are legal persons. A corporation is a legal person. We are corporations.

Every man and woman is sovereign and is only answerable to God and God's Laws. In the Queen's Coronation Oath the Archbishop asks "Will you to the utmost of your power maintain the Laws of God....." She answered I will. This is the Common law. She has not honoured her oath. What the corporate State has done is to convince people they are their legal fiction and so can be controlled through the legal framework. Once the man believes he is the legal fiction he can be controlled, he can be used and destroyed, He can be owned.

Government does not work for the people. Government only works for the corporations to control and parasitise from us.

And the masses still don't get the legal/lawful system.

For years I've asked people I know if they understand the difference between legal and lawful.

Rape/robbery/murder/assault  - unlawful
Everything else - illegal

Once you know what you're doing and can see the scam, it's very easy to flip to your advantage.

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