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Sovereigns with (No B.P.) - Exist?

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So i'm sorting through my coins and getting them onto database before archiving, and I'm a little stuck with the "no b.p." variations as I don't have many UNC examples.

Does anyone have a clear picture of an UNC 1880 for example, with clearly no B.P present? I have quite a few where you can barely see the B.P but it is there, and a few where i can't see anything but there is a scuff or small scratch in the area which could hide the very "light strike" version of B.P

 

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7 hours ago, sg86 said:

So i'm sorting through my coins and getting them onto database before archiving, and I'm a little stuck with the "no b.p." variations as I don't have many UNC examples.

Does anyone have a clear picture of an UNC 1880 for example, with clearly no B.P present? I have quite a few where you can barely see the B.P but it is there, and a few where i can't see anything but there is a scuff or small scratch in the area which could hide the very "light strike" version of B.P

 

Thanks!

https://goldsovereigns.co.uk/1880sovereignyhstgeorge.html

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22 hours ago, Numistacker said:

1882 no bp

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I think this is the clearest ones I've seen so thank you. Though I would love to see a macro of the BP area.

I'll take some of mine with no BP, but you can just about see something there which makes me think these are just like strikes or something, even on gold-sovereigns and other places they don't show clear pictures of no BP variations

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On 12/01/2018 at 11:55, sg86 said:

So i'm sorting through my coins and getting them onto database before archiving, and I'm a little stuck with the "no b.p." variations as I don't have many UNC examples.

If you're questioning whether they actually exist? then yes they do. They are well documented and I have seen them myself.
Years 1880 - 1885, mainly the branch mints and generally rare.

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Well I guess i'm partially questioning it, I have some with no BP that i can't see even under macro, but they are not UNC so I personally wouldn't say its 100%. This is because I have plenty that you would swear have no BP, until you get them under macro and can see something there, not even with a loupe really can you see it.

Look at some of the pictures below to see what i mean. I have all versions of 1880 and i'm getting onto sorting the branch versions now.

 

No BP but poor quality coin

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To the eye or even under loupe you would say this one has no BP,  but with macro and right aperture you can see it's there, I have better examples of this where it's even more faint.

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Clear BP with 8/7

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This is another overdate, I assume its 8/7 but it completely different to the other 5-6 i have of this overdate.

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@sovereignsteve So check these few pictures out, i promise that to the eye or under loupe you can't see the BP at all, only at certain angles with the camera you can see something there.

Coin 2 is the example whereby I believe the no BP could be a myth, I know whatever that it is a different variation though. I have many more examples of this, and its always the P that you can just about see sticking up from the field.

By the way, the reason i'm so bothered about this is i'm now adding all of these coins to my database, and I can't bring myself to put any of them so far into the no BP slot. This is why i'm wondering if anyone actually has an UNC example with a macro shot at various angles to prove there is really nothing there. @Numistacker maybe your 1882 could show it?

 

Coin 1

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Coin 2

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44 minutes ago, gavstick said:

I too seem to have an 1800 with no BP. What it does have is a short tail.

Is this quite scarce?

I think you're missing the point of the thread, which is that I have many many of this date and the ones that look like they have no BP actually do under macro!

I've been speaking with Steve Hill (who recently republished Marsh's book), and he seems to agree with me:

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Good to hear from you and your further research on whether the "NO BP" variation really exists.
I must say it is something I have questioned myself as usually many of the coins I have seen that claim to be no BP, still often have a trace of something suggesting that the BP on the die became filled with dirt or grease eventually extinguishing it. Very few if any show no trace at all of a BP

 

 

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On 1/17/2018 at 12:23, sg86 said:

So check these few pictures out, i promise that to the eye or under loupe you can't see the BP at all, only at certain angles with the camera you can see something there.

You may be on to something but what you are talking about is several dies with the small BP letters somehow getting these "bunged up" with swarf or grease or whatever so that the letters aren't struck clearly or even at all. Or is it credible that all these coins were struck from one die? You have several, can you detect any differences between them to suggest how many dies we are talking about?

I wouldn't get too hung up about needing unc grade coins to examine. The field rarely gets any noticeable wear and I'm sure it would be easy to tell whether there was any part that showed some kind of blemish where these letters should appear. It simply needs the necessary level of magnification, light and visualisation.


 

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