which bullion dealer

[Pipers]

Which bullion dealer will get it in the neck next.

Rules are rules and they are as follows,. The dealer must sell bullion. the member must demand the highest quality coin (this must be in the members mind near perfect even though the coin is over 100 years old) 

The coin has to be worth at least 150% of its weight in gold though the member only wants to pay a premium of 5% -15% including postage. 

The member refuses to pay specialist coin shop prices

 

Right who do you think it will be??????

 

[Roy]

It doesn't matter who really.

They are not bothered. They will still be dealing in gold as long as they wish. 

Chards and Atkinsons have been trading for years. I find it amusing when one thinks they know better than someone with so much experience.

People should read about Chards' history before throwing stones. 

[Clens92]

Joke away, but I guarantee half of this forum would be moaning if they'd bought a coin advertised as Uncirculated and it wasn't.  It seems a pre-requisite that to be believed or taken seriously on this forum, you either have to have >1,000 posts or religiouslu defend established companies.

It's pretty pathetic how people on here gang up on someone for expressing an opinion contrary to the hive-mindset; this thread is a part of that, it seems.

Honestly, I've been put off the Chard website by their constant claims to be a victim of the taxman, or some other 'woe is me' story.  Every business has it's challenges, but they're the only ones to ever moan so publicly about it.  I'm sure this will warrant a "which bullion dealer is hardest done by" thread...

[Jay2]

 

1 hour ago, Pipers said:

The dealer must sell bullion.

Speaking of which.. has HGM stopped trading over the holidays? They only have those call-to-order gold bars for the last week or two.

Perhaps if I phoned them they'd be able to tell me what's in stock despite the empty site.

[Clens92]

6 minutes ago, Jay2 said:

 

Speaking of which.. has HGM stopped trading over the holidays? They only have those call-to-order gold bars for the last week or two.

Perhaps if I phoned them they'd be able to tell me what's in stock despite the empty site.

They re-open on the 2nd

[Pipers]

I go to many Auctions and have for many years.  I have been lucky enough to see many quality collections being sold.  I can say without any doubt when  quality coins go through auctions they demand a high fee, the trade are always there either on the day or at the viewings. I expect some on the forum know a great deal about coins and hardly ever post.  We all want that great find at that great price like madstacks had it just doesn't happen  for most.  To find a brilliant unc 100 year old coin is difficult there just is not as many as people think as they have been in circulation!!!! 

It's ok to have a point of view, I was not jumping on his back, it's just he may of got the wrong impression from YouTube on what you get for your money quality wise as imo some YouTube vlogers have arrangements with dealers esp in the USA. 

 

 

[Alex]

11 hours ago, Clens92 said:

Joke away, but I guarantee half of this forum would be moaning if they'd bought a coin advertised as Uncirculated and it wasn't.  It seems a pre-requisite that to be believed or taken seriously on this forum, you either have to have >1,000 posts or religiouslu defend established companies.

It's pretty pathetic how people on here gang up on someone for expressing an opinion contrary to the hive-mindset; this thread is a part of that, it seems.

Honestly, I've been put off the Chard website by their constant claims to be a victim of the taxman, or some other 'woe is me' story.  Every business has it's challenges, but they're the only ones to ever moan so publicly about it.  I'm sure this will warrant a "which bullion dealer is hardest done by" thread...

I couldn't have said it better myself.

[Alex]

13 hours ago, Pipers said:

Which bullion dealer will get it in the neck next.

Rules are rules and they are as follows,. The dealer must sell bullion. the member must demand the highest quality coin (this must be in the members mind near perfect even though the coin is over 100 years old) 

The coin has to be worth at least 150% of its weight in gold though the member only wants to pay a premium of 5% -15% including postage. 

The member refuses to pay specialist coin shop prices

 

Right who do you think it will be??????

 

Sarcasm: You walk into a pub and buy a pint of beer but instead you get a glass of p|$$ and you quietly drink it? 

[Alex]

12 hours ago, Pipers said:

I go to many Auctions and have for many years.  I have been lucky enough to see many quality collections being sold.  I can say without any doubt when  quality coins go through auctions they demand a high fee, the trade are always there either on the day or at the viewings. I expect some on the forum know a great deal about coins and hardly ever post.  We all want that great find at that great price like madstacks had it just doesn't happen  for most.  To find a brilliant unc 100 year old coin is difficult there just is not as many as people think as they have been in circulation!!!! 

It's ok to have a point of view, I was not jumping on his back, it's just he may of got the wrong impression from YouTube on what you get for your money quality wise as imo some YouTube vlogers have arrangements with dealers esp in the USA. 

 

 

I know the price difference lets say between MS70 and MS61.I was not expecting an MS68 .I bought something that was described as UNC and the worst I was expecting to receive was MS60 but I received a really bad EF coin.The 20 francs rooster is a common coin,not very rare and shouldn't carry a high premium for a BU.You can troll as much as you want but I know I`m right.I don`t care if they are reputable or not but what I can tell you is that I never been conned on Ebay...irony.Just lost a deal on ebay for an MS63/64 1958 gold sovereign for 266 pounds ,I fell asleep just before the end of auction.On chards I would probably receive an EF for 310 pounds.Don`t let yourself be fooled by the so called ''professionals''.Even PCGS,NGC or other reputable coin grading companies can do mistakes.Good luck!

[sovereignsteve]

1 hour ago, Alex said:

Just lost a deal on ebay for an MS63/64 1958 gold sovereign for 266 pounds ,I fell asleep just before the end of auction.On chards I would probably receive an EF for 310 pounds.Don`t let yourself be fooled by the so called ''professionals''.Even PCGS,NGC or other reputable coin grading companies can do mistakes.Good luck!

Indeed. If you know what you're doing, you'll always get a better deal on ebay than from a major bullion/coin dealer.

[Pipers]

2 hours ago, Alex said:

.You can troll as much as you want but I know I`m right.I don`t care if they are reputable or not but what I can tell you is that I never been conned on Ebay...irony.Just lost a deal on ebay for an MS63/64 1958 gold sovereign for 266 pounds ,I fell asleep just before the end of auction.On chards I would probably receive an EF for 310 pounds.Don`t let yourself be fooled by the so called ''professionals''.Even PCGS,NGC or other reputable coin grading companies can do mistakes.Good luck!

I am not trolling you. 

On the eBay deal you lost because you fell asleep you do not know what the winning bid would be as the winning bidder may have bid a lot more esp over the Xmas period.  That is why I go to auctions, I also use ebay.  I keep records on what is the best times to buy and worst times to buy ect. 

As I said take the refund offered. 

Please go and buy a coin magazine and attend coin shows and auctions to gain knowledge. 

[HawkHybrid]

22 hours ago, Clens92 said:

but I guarantee half of this forum would be moaning if they'd bought a coin advertised as Uncirculated and it wasn't

 

I don't agree with this. in one place it says finish uncirculated.

in other places it claims the coin is bullion and to phone if

you wanted a graded coin. I don't think chards intentionally

wanted to deceive potential buyers into thinking that they

have in stock coins of this type that are all unc grade. in this

case the buyer was also being a little optimistic. I remember

seeing uncirculated on one of their other coins and promptly

ignored it. I like a bargain like everyone else but experience

tells me to be realistic in what I can expect. the chards

description was less than clear, for me that's all the more

reason to not expect the best possible case.

 

HH

[Clens92]

11 minutes ago, HawkHybrid said:

 

I don't agree with this. in one place it says finish uncirculated.

in other places it claims the coin is bullion and to phone if

you wanted a graded coin. I don't think chards intentionally

wanted to deceive potential buyers into thinking that they

have in stock coins of this type that are all unc grade. in this

case the buyer was also being a little optimistic. I remember

seeing uncirculated on one of their other coins and promptly

ignored it. I like a bargain like everyone else but experience

tells me to be realistic in what I can expect. the chards

description was less than clear, for me that's all the more

reason to not expect the best possible case.

 

HH

That isn't how the Trade Descriptions Act works.  If you call it Uncirculated, you don't have a 'loophole' by adding "everything is bullion and exempt from Trade Descriptions" to ignore the original condition of sale.

They goofed - and they're seemingly doing the right thing and offering a refund. 

[WealdenWoodsman]

I don't think it is wise to continue threads like these, they don't actually add anything whatsoever to the general discussion. After all, forums are meant for genuine discussions.

The gentleman who this thread is, I assume, referring to started a topic, some agreed with him others didn't. That is the point of forums! However,  to actually start a thread which is obviously intended to cause a reaction at the expense of an individual is just plain wrong in my opinion. I don't agree with a lot of what people say on here but I don't go about starting threads like these...

[HawkHybrid]

4 minutes ago, Clens92 said:

That isn't how the Trade Descriptions Act works.  If you call it Uncirculated, you don't have a 'loophole' by adding "everything is bullion and exempt from Trade Descriptions" to ignore the original condition of sale.

They goofed - and they're seemingly doing the right thing and offering a refund. 

 

what if it was a proof coin? description proof coin, sold

as bullion, call for graded ones. what I'm saying is the

description was unclear. there's something not quite

right about the description. then saying that you bought

an uncirculated coin based on a description that isn't

quite right is not a conclusion I'd make. buyers would be

well within their rights to be unhappy to have their purchase

switched out for an inferior item. this is not the case here

as you don't really know what you are buying with an

unclear description.

I'm thinking they offered a refund because the customer

bought the wrong product after being confused by a

strangely worded description.

 

HH

[swAgger]

4 hours ago, WealdenWoodsman said:

I don't think it is wise to continue threads like these, they don't actually add anything whatsoever to the general discussion. After all, forums are meant for genuine discussions.

The gentleman who this thread is, I assume, referring to started a topic, some agreed with him others didn't. That is the point of forums! However,  to actually start a thread which is obviously intended to cause a reaction at the expense of an individual is just plain wrong in my opinion. I don't agree with a lot of what people say on here but I don't go about starting threads like these...

Agreed. This is a bad spirited thread so lets let it gradually fade away. No more posts. This has been going on ever since last year, after all! Enough already.

A happy, healthy, benevolent 2018 to all.

[999magnum]

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[999magnum]

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[Pipers]

OK guys it was ment to be a bit of fun.  

Plus I was trying to get the complainant  coin collector and treads starter to think before he/she bought again. To educate himself/herself

There is a saying,

once bitten twice shy!!!

I will not post again on this subject. 

[Pete]

According to the testament "The Standard Guide to Grading British Coins" by D.A. Allen - "UNC / uncirculated" is defined as .." the coin should be as it left the mint with no signs of circulation or wear ..." It goes on to say .. "Not necessarily perfect though, because coins can pick up scratches and what are known as 'bag marks' during mass production and contact with other coins at the mint". 

Just because an old ( or relatively recent ) coin looks in very good condition, unless you know its full history, it requires a poetic licence to claim the coin is truly UNC.

In my experience I have purchased gold proof coins from a couple of reputable and well-known dealers describing them as FDC ( Fleur du Coin ) meaning absolutely perfect with zero defects or blemishes. Clearly greasy fingerprints are overlooked. In my 'book' FDC almost refers to not breathed upon or touched by bare fingers.

[Alex]

53 minutes ago, Pipers said:

OK guys it was ment to be a bit of fun.  

Plus I was trying to get the complainant  coin collector and treads starter to think before he/she bought again. To educate himself/herself

There is a saying,

once bitten twice shy!!!

I will not post again on this subject. 

"To educate himself/herself'' No offence taken,that`s just your opinion.

To educate myself about what?

Please tell me why do you think I went for the 1899-1906 Gold rooster and not for the 1907-1914 ?

Do you think all I wanted was a "shiny" gold coin? 

[Pipers]

i am not going to get into this.  

i will say none of the French Rooster coins are rare or as some like to say 'key'

and please do not come back as if you have a coin thats as valuable as the

The Last Supper by Leonardo da Vinci

This is really the last word said on the matter.  

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