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Well this is the link https://www.forbes.com/sites/qai/2022/09/09/what-investors-miss-about-the-price-of-gold-and-where-we-stand-today/?
Not sure why you couldn't take a fair use snippet.
Bottom Line
Gold is an excellent option for investors looking to hedge potential losses in the stock market. Since the price of gold tends to rise during economic uncertainty, it can help protect your wealth. Just consider the broader economic landscape, not just one or two economic indicators.
From there, make sure you use gold as a store of value and not as an asset to drive returns. It is there to help you take some risk off the table, just like some investors invest in bonds to mitigate the risk of investing in the stock market.
Gold is money. The main point of gold is that it is money. Your fiat currency is devaluing. We know that by looking at how much more currency is needed to buy stuff. It is not that what we buy has increased in value, it is that the currency is returning to its intrinsic value - zero.
So you have gold to protect long term purchasing power - b/c it is real money. Real money is a store of value which currency is not. 
You can de-risk your investments on a long term basis by switching into gold.
Gold can be an investment when it is made into a coin. Nice coins can be an investment. You pay a premium - this is risk capital you invest to get the coin. There is a risk the coin isn't seen as worthy of a premium over the basic gold. You hope it will be appreciated by others who will pay you more in the future.
Gold is money - it stays the same - it is just the value of everything else varies in terms of gold. There is a lot of fluctuation over time but over time this all evens out and you see gold has remained constant and held onto its value. Yes there will be better times to buy gold when the value of fiat against gold is judged to be higher. We try to catch those times. We try to get the bargains. 
So you can invest in gold as a coin - or you can invest in gold as a KAU in the Kinesis Monetary System where you earn a yield paid in gold, which is a share of the transaction fees generated by the system - a profit sharing system. This is a currency system. Then there is Monetary Metals where they use your gold, it is used to generate a yield. https://monetary-metals.com/investing/gold-fixed-income/
Gold is moving on and what has only been accessible by the big market players is becoming available to us. There is some risk - it isn't the same as having it in a vault in the basement but there's a risk someone will discover your safe and get your gold. Nothing is without risk.

@Roy Well you have chosen to live in a Communist country.

This is my immediate thought - if they knew where price was going over the next 20 years then why aren't they billionaires.

Kinesis is not Indonesian backed. Kinesis is an off shoot of the Allocated Bullion Exchange. https://abx.com.
The ABX has been working with Indonesia for quite a few years now developing what they have and plan to do. Indonesia is the first but the CEO of Kinesis said in his most recent video interview with Arcadia Economics said that a deal with a Latin American country would be announced very soon. At a guess this will be Panama.

Kinesis does not own the gold or silver. They have no claim on it. They are bailee - that is custodian of the audited and insured vaulted metal. You have an account with wallets where your coins, crypto and cash are kept. If you want you can keep your coins in the Kinesis cold wallet or in a CoolbitX hard wallet. There are 'bank accounts' planned. The metal is distributed across 13 vaults in different jurisdictions. Yes your gold is spread across bars and vaults. This is NOT the usual unallocated setup you hear about with the bullion banks where you have lent the gold to them and they do as they like with it. Kinesis is bailee which is something very different. If at the end of the day you want to redeem your KAU for gold you can. The smallest bar is 100g - i know someone who has done it for gold and i know a number in the States who have done it for silver - 1000oz bars. Alternatively the Kinesis bullion store has recently opened - it is USA only at the moment. The products are minted by Kinesis at their minting facility in Turkey. https://kinesisbullion.com/
The Indonesian government have legally defined the gold in the Indonesian system as physical digital gold. 
The advantage of physical digital gold is you can spend, send and save it. If i want to send you a kilo of gold i will need to buy it - get hold of it - then have the headache and risk of sending it to you. With Kinesis i can buy the KAU and send them to your Kinesis KAU wallet in a matter of moments. If i want to spend my gold to get dog food and milk i can do it with my Kinesis debit card like i would with my NatWest bank account cash. If i chose to save my KAU my gold is vaulted for free and earns a KAU yield which is a share of the yield pool Kinesis collects from all the transactions. 

Well this is the link https://www.forbes.com/sites/qai/2022/09/09/what-investors-miss-about-the-price-of-gold-and-where-we-stand-today/?
Not sure why you couldn't take a fair use snippet.
Bottom Line
Gold is an excellent option for investors looking to hedge potential losses in the stock market. Since the price of gold tends to rise during economic uncertainty, it can help protect your wealth. Just consider the broader economic landscape, not just one or two economic indicators.
From there, make sure you use gold as a store of value and not as an asset to drive returns. It is there to help you take some risk off the table, just like some investors invest in bonds to mitigate the risk of investing in the stock market.
Gold is money. The main point of gold is that it is money. Your fiat currency is devaluing. We know that by looking at how much more currency is needed to buy stuff. It is not that what we buy has increased in value, it is that the currency is returning to its intrinsic value - zero.
So you have gold to protect long term purchasing power - b/c it is real money. Real money is a store of value which currency is not. 
You can de-risk your investments on a long term basis by switching into gold.
Gold can be an investment when it is made into a coin. Nice coins can be an investment. You pay a premium - this is risk capital you invest to get the coin. There is a risk the coin isn't seen as worthy of a premium over the basic gold. You hope it will be appreciated by others who will pay you more in the future.
Gold is money - it stays the same - it is just the value of everything else varies in terms of gold. There is a lot of fluctuation over time but over time this all evens out and you see gold has remained constant and held onto its value. Yes there will be better times to buy gold when the value of fiat against gold is judged to be higher. We try to catch those times. We try to get the bargains. 
So you can invest in gold as a coin - or you can invest in gold as a KAU in the Kinesis Monetary System where you earn a yield paid in gold, which is a share of the transaction fees generated by the system - a profit sharing system. This is a currency system. Then there is Monetary Metals where they use your gold, it is used to generate a yield. https://monetary-metals.com/investing/gold-fixed-income/
Gold is moving on and what has only been accessible by the big market players is becoming available to us. There is some risk - it isn't the same as having it in a vault in the basement but there's a risk someone will discover your safe and get your gold. Nothing is without risk.

Look at this chart - i know it is a US equity chart but i post it here b/c more people look here.
It is a 6 monthly chart of the ratio of the SPX (SP 500) index and gold. It is on a log scale.
When the chart goes up the price of the index goes up relative to gold - when it goes down the price of gold goes up relative to equities.
As we can see there are times when equities are expensive and gold is relatively cheap. This would be a time to sell equities and buy gold. 
Looking at the chart there is a pattern in these movements - it is not random. I propose that the chart is telling us that equities are going to fall and gold will rise. The Western financial system is crumbling and the demand for gold is as high as it ever has been. The fundamentals support my projected path of the chart.
 

Well this is the link https://www.forbes.com/sites/qai/2022/09/09/what-investors-miss-about-the-price-of-gold-and-where-we-stand-today/?
Not sure why you couldn't take a fair use snippet.
Bottom Line
Gold is an excellent option for investors looking to hedge potential losses in the stock market. Since the price of gold tends to rise during economic uncertainty, it can help protect your wealth. Just consider the broader economic landscape, not just one or two economic indicators.
From there, make sure you use gold as a store of value and not as an asset to drive returns. It is there to help you take some risk off the table, just like some investors invest in bonds to mitigate the risk of investing in the stock market.
Gold is money. The main point of gold is that it is money. Your fiat currency is devaluing. We know that by looking at how much more currency is needed to buy stuff. It is not that what we buy has increased in value, it is that the currency is returning to its intrinsic value - zero.
So you have gold to protect long term purchasing power - b/c it is real money. Real money is a store of value which currency is not. 
You can de-risk your investments on a long term basis by switching into gold.
Gold can be an investment when it is made into a coin. Nice coins can be an investment. You pay a premium - this is risk capital you invest to get the coin. There is a risk the coin isn't seen as worthy of a premium over the basic gold. You hope it will be appreciated by others who will pay you more in the future.
Gold is money - it stays the same - it is just the value of everything else varies in terms of gold. There is a lot of fluctuation over time but over time this all evens out and you see gold has remained constant and held onto its value. Yes there will be better times to buy gold when the value of fiat against gold is judged to be higher. We try to catch those times. We try to get the bargains. 
So you can invest in gold as a coin - or you can invest in gold as a KAU in the Kinesis Monetary System where you earn a yield paid in gold, which is a share of the transaction fees generated by the system - a profit sharing system. This is a currency system. Then there is Monetary Metals where they use your gold, it is used to generate a yield. https://monetary-metals.com/investing/gold-fixed-income/
Gold is moving on and what has only been accessible by the big market players is becoming available to us. There is some risk - it isn't the same as having it in a vault in the basement but there's a risk someone will discover your safe and get your gold. Nothing is without risk.

Well this is the link https://www.forbes.com/sites/qai/2022/09/09/what-investors-miss-about-the-price-of-gold-and-where-we-stand-today/?
Not sure why you couldn't take a fair use snippet.
Bottom Line
Gold is an excellent option for investors looking to hedge potential losses in the stock market. Since the price of gold tends to rise during economic uncertainty, it can help protect your wealth. Just consider the broader economic landscape, not just one or two economic indicators.
From there, make sure you use gold as a store of value and not as an asset to drive returns. It is there to help you take some risk off the table, just like some investors invest in bonds to mitigate the risk of investing in the stock market.
Gold is money. The main point of gold is that it is money. Your fiat currency is devaluing. We know that by looking at how much more currency is needed to buy stuff. It is not that what we buy has increased in value, it is that the currency is returning to its intrinsic value - zero.
So you have gold to protect long term purchasing power - b/c it is real money. Real money is a store of value which currency is not. 
You can de-risk your investments on a long term basis by switching into gold.
Gold can be an investment when it is made into a coin. Nice coins can be an investment. You pay a premium - this is risk capital you invest to get the coin. There is a risk the coin isn't seen as worthy of a premium over the basic gold. You hope it will be appreciated by others who will pay you more in the future.
Gold is money - it stays the same - it is just the value of everything else varies in terms of gold. There is a lot of fluctuation over time but over time this all evens out and you see gold has remained constant and held onto its value. Yes there will be better times to buy gold when the value of fiat against gold is judged to be higher. We try to catch those times. We try to get the bargains. 
So you can invest in gold as a coin - or you can invest in gold as a KAU in the Kinesis Monetary System where you earn a yield paid in gold, which is a share of the transaction fees generated by the system - a profit sharing system. This is a currency system. Then there is Monetary Metals where they use your gold, it is used to generate a yield. https://monetary-metals.com/investing/gold-fixed-income/
Gold is moving on and what has only been accessible by the big market players is becoming available to us. There is some risk - it isn't the same as having it in a vault in the basement but there's a risk someone will discover your safe and get your gold. Nothing is without risk.

Look at this chart - i know it is a US equity chart but i post it here b/c more people look here.
It is a 6 monthly chart of the ratio of the SPX (SP 500) index and gold. It is on a log scale.
When the chart goes up the price of the index goes up relative to gold - when it goes down the price of gold goes up relative to equities.
As we can see there are times when equities are expensive and gold is relatively cheap. This would be a time to sell equities and buy gold. 
Looking at the chart there is a pattern in these movements - it is not random. I propose that the chart is telling us that equities are going to fall and gold will rise. The Western financial system is crumbling and the demand for gold is as high as it ever has been. The fundamentals support my projected path of the chart.
 

Look at this chart - i know it is a US equity chart but i post it here b/c more people look here.
It is a 6 monthly chart of the ratio of the SPX (SP 500) index and gold. It is on a log scale.
When the chart goes up the price of the index goes up relative to gold - when it goes down the price of gold goes up relative to equities.
As we can see there are times when equities are expensive and gold is relatively cheap. This would be a time to sell equities and buy gold. 
Looking at the chart there is a pattern in these movements - it is not random. I propose that the chart is telling us that equities are going to fall and gold will rise. The Western financial system is crumbling and the demand for gold is as high as it ever has been. The fundamentals support my projected path of the chart.
 

'Gold and money and everything else is credit' - JP Morgan
1 oz of gold never alters in value it is always worth 1 oz of gold. Gold is money - if you value gold in terms of money then how can it alter in value?
GBP, USD are no longer linked to gold - so they aren't money - they are fiat currencies. They are worth something b/c the governments say they are but we know governments always lie.
Counterfeit money - fiat currencies have no intrinsic value, they are a confidence trick. Once confidence is lost, the illusion evaporates and we see they are worthless.
Central banks aim at certain inflation rates - that means they aim to inflate the 'money' supply and so steal away your energy. They cannot do this with gold and this is why they don't want us to use it. Now we have the blockchain we can put gold and silver on blockchain rails - we can use them in an internet age. This is what is happening and this is why the jig is up for the government scams.
Stack gold and silver until your hands bleed. 

 

Look at this chart - i know it is a US equity chart but i post it here b/c more people look here.
It is a 6 monthly chart of the ratio of the SPX (SP 500) index and gold. It is on a log scale.
When the chart goes up the price of the index goes up relative to gold - when it goes down the price of gold goes up relative to equities.
As we can see there are times when equities are expensive and gold is relatively cheap. This would be a time to sell equities and buy gold. 
Looking at the chart there is a pattern in these movements - it is not random. I propose that the chart is telling us that equities are going to fall and gold will rise. The Western financial system is crumbling and the demand for gold is as high as it ever has been. The fundamentals support my projected path of the chart.
 

'Gold and money and everything else is credit' - JP Morgan
1 oz of gold never alters in value it is always worth 1 oz of gold. Gold is money - if you value gold in terms of money then how can it alter in value?
GBP, USD are no longer linked to gold - so they aren't money - they are fiat currencies. They are worth something b/c the governments say they are but we know governments always lie.
Counterfeit money - fiat currencies have no intrinsic value, they are a confidence trick. Once confidence is lost, the illusion evaporates and we see they are worthless.
Central banks aim at certain inflation rates - that means they aim to inflate the 'money' supply and so steal away your energy. They cannot do this with gold and this is why they don't want us to use it. Now we have the blockchain we can put gold and silver on blockchain rails - we can use them in an internet age. This is what is happening and this is why the jig is up for the government scams.
Stack gold and silver until your hands bleed. 

 

Look at this chart - i know it is a US equity chart but i post it here b/c more people look here.
It is a 6 monthly chart of the ratio of the SPX (SP 500) index and gold. It is on a log scale.
When the chart goes up the price of the index goes up relative to gold - when it goes down the price of gold goes up relative to equities.
As we can see there are times when equities are expensive and gold is relatively cheap. This would be a time to sell equities and buy gold. 
Looking at the chart there is a pattern in these movements - it is not random. I propose that the chart is telling us that equities are going to fall and gold will rise. The Western financial system is crumbling and the demand for gold is as high as it ever has been. The fundamentals support my projected path of the chart.
 

Look at this chart - i know it is a US equity chart but i post it here b/c more people look here.
It is a 6 monthly chart of the ratio of the SPX (SP 500) index and gold. It is on a log scale.
When the chart goes up the price of the index goes up relative to gold - when it goes down the price of gold goes up relative to equities.
As we can see there are times when equities are expensive and gold is relatively cheap. This would be a time to sell equities and buy gold. 
Looking at the chart there is a pattern in these movements - it is not random. I propose that the chart is telling us that equities are going to fall and gold will rise. The Western financial system is crumbling and the demand for gold is as high as it ever has been. The fundamentals support my projected path of the chart.
 

Look at this chart - i know it is a US equity chart but i post it here b/c more people look here.
It is a 6 monthly chart of the ratio of the SPX (SP 500) index and gold. It is on a log scale.
When the chart goes up the price of the index goes up relative to gold - when it goes down the price of gold goes up relative to equities.
As we can see there are times when equities are expensive and gold is relatively cheap. This would be a time to sell equities and buy gold. 
Looking at the chart there is a pattern in these movements - it is not random. I propose that the chart is telling us that equities are going to fall and gold will rise. The Western financial system is crumbling and the demand for gold is as high as it ever has been. The fundamentals support my projected path of the chart.
 

i don't think so but you could be right. 
They are cycles people and say gold cannot go to all time highs until it has made a long term low. So they then plot a path to a low. That is the beginning and end of it. Somehow or other we must have that long term low - or else their theory is wrong.
Well i just saw a chart posted that would give them their long term low. It is the inflation adjusted price. With the true rate of inflation racing ahead, the price of gold can go up but in real terms be going down and hit that low. Gold is as cheap as chips, we are simply being conned as usual.

Well the Leopard's face is London as stated.
The Lion passant - Sterling silver
The R in a shield is 1892 (not 1882) - Fenlander mistyped the date - but the correct one is by the image. This matches what the OP thought.
The maker's mark i would say is Martin Sugar who was active in 1892. (registered October 1890)

 

Well the Leopard's face is London as stated.
The Lion passant - Sterling silver
The R in a shield is 1892 (not 1882) - Fenlander mistyped the date - but the correct one is by the image. This matches what the OP thought.
The maker's mark i would say is Martin Sugar who was active in 1892. (registered October 1890)

 

Well the Leopard's face is London as stated.
The Lion passant - Sterling silver
The R in a shield is 1892 (not 1882) - Fenlander mistyped the date - but the correct one is by the image. This matches what the OP thought.
The maker's mark i would say is Martin Sugar who was active in 1892. (registered October 1890)

 

Thank you I am finding the hallmark research really interesting.

Well the Leopard's face is London as stated.
The Lion passant - Sterling silver
The R in a shield is 1892 (not 1882) - Fenlander mistyped the date - but the correct one is by the image. This matches what the OP thought.
The maker's mark i would say is Martin Sugar who was active in 1892. (registered October 1890)

 

Well the Leopard's face is London as stated.
The Lion passant - Sterling silver
The R in a shield is 1892 (not 1882) - Fenlander mistyped the date - but the correct one is by the image. This matches what the OP thought.
The maker's mark i would say is Martin Sugar who was active in 1892. (registered October 1890)

 

i don't think so but you could be right. 
They are cycles people and say gold cannot go to all time highs until it has made a long term low. So they then plot a path to a low. That is the beginning and end of it. Somehow or other we must have that long term low - or else their theory is wrong.
Well i just saw a chart posted that would give them their long term low. It is the inflation adjusted price. With the true rate of inflation racing ahead, the price of gold can go up but in real terms be going down and hit that low. Gold is as cheap as chips, we are simply being conned as usual.

This is my immediate thought - if they knew where price was going over the next 20 years then why aren't they billionaires.