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kimchi reacted to Stuntman in 2022 Elizabeth II "Piedfort" Gold Proof Sovereign Platinum Jubilee
I assume that that mark underneath the Queen's neck is not actually on the coin?
If so, the Obverse looks OK to me.
The Reverse also looks OK to me, apart from that single spot.
So it depends how much that spot annoys you. It's a really tough call and probably depends on how much you might regret not owning an example of this coin, especially if being its first custodian is important to you.
Otherwise perhaps return it and pick one up on the secondary market at some point in the future if you still want one.
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kimchi got a reaction from Spanishsilver in 2022 Elizabeth II "Piedfort" Gold Proof Sovereign Platinum Jubilee
The crazy thing is...it could still grade as a 70 with NGC (no post-production imperfections, as per many previous Mattes with similar issues) or it might not...but 'buy the coin and not the grade/holder' still remains true imvho, so myself it's not something I'd like to have nagging at the back of my mind (an imperfect coin even with a good/great grade)
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kimchi reacted to Stuntman in 2022 Elizabeth II "Piedfort" Gold Proof Sovereign Platinum Jubilee
It is SUCH a shame.
I feel 'lucky' regarding my own coin, whereas I should just be feeling 'normal' when spending £2635 on something beautiful.
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kimchi reacted to blackadder in 2022 Elizabeth II "Piedfort" Gold Proof Sovereign Platinum Jubilee
Come on people shouldn't expect a good coin for £2635,they can't even be ****ed to check the lower mintage coins for defects.
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kimchi reacted to Stuntman in 2022 Elizabeth II "Piedfort" Gold Proof Sovereign Platinum Jubilee
Tricky, isn't it. Some people might find it OK to live with those small flaws, I don't feel that they detract from the overall coin too much. You're well within your rights to return it though anyway.
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kimchi reacted to Aran in 2022 Elizabeth II "Piedfort" Gold Proof Sovereign Platinum Jubilee
Another return to the RM.
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kimchi reacted to danieldorkins in 2022 Elizabeth II "Piedfort" Gold Proof Sovereign Platinum Jubilee
5 Sovereign arrived yesterday but only managed to have a good look today (under a loupe and good light) spurred on by the posts here, really could not believe what I found, on the reverse 2 very noticeable "dings" and at least 12 flecks on the frosting, the obverse was not much better, at least 10 spots of missing? frosting. I have only been involved with gold coins for a few months and this was my first major purchase from RM, not impressed and very disappointed.
The coin is going back, as james32 said "once seen it can't be unseen" a major learning curve and all thanks to you guys!
Cheers
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kimchi got a reaction from apachebleu in 2022 Elizabeth II "Piedfort" Gold Proof Sovereign Platinum Jubilee
It doesn't work that way alas because of the 'no post-Mint imperfections' criteria. Vintage coins are different, they have a long history. New coins if you submit quickly when all the others are going in they will see they all have the same issues, so it must be the Mint. If you send in a year or two later then they may err on the side of caution, and if the three graders are not particularly knowledgeable or compare to previous examples on their own database (they don't imo - by their own admission they only look at a coin for a few minutes each - it's a production line) then you are less likely to get the same grade as the same coin submitted earlier.
To be fair, how do they know that missing frosting is not due to handler error/damage if you don't submit asap?
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kimchi got a reaction from FlorinCollector in 2022 Elizabeth II "Piedfort" Gold Proof Sovereign Platinum Jubilee
The crazy thing is...it could still grade as a 70 with NGC (no post-production imperfections, as per many previous Mattes with similar issues) or it might not...but 'buy the coin and not the grade/holder' still remains true imvho, so myself it's not something I'd like to have nagging at the back of my mind (an imperfect coin even with a good/great grade)
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kimchi reacted to Stuntman in 2022 Elizabeth II "Piedfort" Gold Proof Sovereign Platinum Jubilee
Cheers for that, @kimchi.
All the more reason to be very sceptical regarding the grading number given to any coin, in my opinion. I don't have any graded coin - they just aren't for me, for that and many other reasons. I can see the appeal to others though, and I do enjoy seeing pictures of graded coins in their holders that TSF members post up on the site.
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kimchi got a reaction from Stuntman in 2022 Elizabeth II "Piedfort" Gold Proof Sovereign Platinum Jubilee
It doesn't work that way alas because of the 'no post-Mint imperfections' criteria. Vintage coins are different, they have a long history. New coins if you submit quickly when all the others are going in they will see they all have the same issues, so it must be the Mint. If you send in a year or two later then they may err on the side of caution, and if the three graders are not particularly knowledgeable or compare to previous examples on their own database (they don't imo - by their own admission they only look at a coin for a few minutes each - it's a production line) then you are less likely to get the same grade as the same coin submitted earlier.
To be fair, how do they know that missing frosting is not due to handler error/damage if you don't submit asap?
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kimchi reacted to paulmerton in 2022 Elizabeth II "Piedfort" Gold Proof Sovereign Platinum Jubilee
When you request a return online it will provide a free return label anyway, and let you choose whether you want a refund or a replacement.
You also have the option of just showing the Post Office a QR code on your phone so you don't even have to print the label yourself.
It's almost worrying how good their returns system is
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kimchi reacted to apachebleu in 2022 Elizabeth II "Piedfort" Gold Proof Sovereign Platinum Jubilee
I'm in full agreement with you, I'm no expert but if I see a grade 70 I expect no flaws otherwise it means nothing and I would be gutted to pay a premium for something graded that way and recieve a coin that's clearly damaged.
Obviously it's a different story for vintage coins but for something fresh from the mint I expect better.
In truth I was always on the fence about buying this but the c**p quality made my decision not to keep it easy
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kimchi got a reaction from James32 in 2022 Elizabeth II "Piedfort" Gold Proof Sovereign Platinum Jubilee
I'm the same. You have to balance the mintage, desirability, and how many other 'problem coins' there are against your own. Too much of a headache for me. I like my 70s perfect, all those I have graded myself are (without conservation). Heck I even have key coins that are clear 70s but got 69s purely (imvho) because if NGC gave everything 70s they wouldn't be needed!
I hope you get better practical advice than I can give, because I have a real problem with what NGC return at times, and like yourself I want a 70 to be a 'perfect' coin, but I don't want you to miss out on a good investment just because of my feelings!!!
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kimchi reacted to James32 in 2022 Elizabeth II "Piedfort" Gold Proof Sovereign Platinum Jubilee
Yeah I would too, thankfully with numismatic coins and the RM'S policy, the ball is in your court. Opt for replacement and if still unsatisfactory, then refund.
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kimchi reacted to James32 in 2022 Elizabeth II "Piedfort" Gold Proof Sovereign Platinum Jubilee
No you make complete sense and I'm in agreement 👍
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kimchi got a reaction from James32 in 2022 Elizabeth II "Piedfort" Gold Proof Sovereign Platinum Jubilee
The crazy thing is...it could still grade as a 70 with NGC (no post-production imperfections, as per many previous Mattes with similar issues) or it might not...but 'buy the coin and not the grade/holder' still remains true imvho, so myself it's not something I'd like to have nagging at the back of my mind (an imperfect coin even with a good/great grade)
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kimchi reacted to apachebleu in 2022 Elizabeth II "Piedfort" Gold Proof Sovereign Platinum Jubilee
The problem is it may get a 70 but if it doesn't then so much time will have passed the option to return it will be gone.
For me I couldn't help but feel like a con man selling a damaged coin as a 70 regardless of what ngc say...I'm afraid I value my reputation as a seller too much to sell something I know to be sub standard even if it has a good rating. Lol I think I care way too much about my reputation with strangers on the internet
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kimchi reacted to James32 in 2022 Elizabeth II "Piedfort" Gold Proof Sovereign Platinum Jubilee
They actually keep some back for replacement ( already aware of their own shoddy QC)
If you really want it,I'd try a replacement first but you could literally end up with a perfect coin or another headache.
The coin you have now would still grade a 70 most likely, apparently the matt sovereigns are notorious for missing frosting. I give away at rrp a SOTD 22 for very similar damage in a different area ( it graded a 70 ) but my logic was, once its seen, it can't be unseen.
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kimchi reacted to paulmerton in 2022 Gold Proof Piedfort Sovereign - Photos
I don't think they've used two collars. Rather, I expect they have used a single collar that has been designed and then machined incorrectly without anyone noticing/caring.
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kimchi reacted to SemolinaPilchard in 2022 Gold Proof Piedfort Sovereign - Photos
No. It's the first time I've seen this. I've shot quite a few. Normally I'd do a side view like this to show the added depth of a Piedfort. Attached is typical of a Piedfort edge
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kimchi got a reaction from Goldfever20 in 2022 Elizabeth II "Piedfort" Gold Proof Sovereign Platinum Jubilee
The crazy thing is...it could still grade as a 70 with NGC (no post-production imperfections, as per many previous Mattes with similar issues) or it might not...but 'buy the coin and not the grade/holder' still remains true imvho, so myself it's not something I'd like to have nagging at the back of my mind (an imperfect coin even with a good/great grade)
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kimchi reacted to apachebleu in 2022 Elizabeth II "Piedfort" Gold Proof Sovereign Platinum Jubilee
I'm not keeping mine, I know it's not a proof but given the premium I expect much better. Also if they are damaged its going to ruin resale value if you need to liquidate in the future, I don't want to sound like a flipper but I buy gold for my savings and knowing that I'm going to lose a lot of money due to poor quality control isn't acceptable to me.
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kimchi reacted to apachebleu in 2022 Elizabeth II "Piedfort" Gold Proof Sovereign Platinum Jubilee
High quality as usual, chip in the frosting and I'm not sure what's going on with the marks on the 2022? Maybe a greasy fingerprint?
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kimchi reacted to Britannia47 in 2022 Elizabeth II "Piedfort" Gold Proof Sovereign Platinum Jubilee
That's good, here's another! This £5 note was in circulation when the 1989 was minted. On the reverse is Wellington at the Battle of Waterloo....