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  1. Heubach-edelmetalle vs Auragentum.de?

    It all comes down to a balancing act in the end. Lowest prices and great customer service don't often go together. You don't say in what way GS.be let you down. If it's a mess up with the order, or the condition of the coins you got. As far as condition goes, the trouble with most of the lowest premium guys is they won't entertain quality complaints AT ALL when it comes to the condition of bullion classed products. Whether capsuled or not. You take it as is, as far as they're concerned. It's a crap attitude, i know, but GS.be don't hide it. Covered strongly on their faq section. I'm just guessing, but as you said you are looking to buy a kilo coin (bullion?) and thinking hard about who to buy from, then maybe your priority is the top notch condition of it? In that case i would advise go with the dealer who may have a bit extra premium but has a softer attitude to meeting your needs for the quality condition of the coin. And above all - actually personally replies to you, and not just copy/paste their terms and conditions. Forget about asking for others reviews or opinions on different dealers. Most times, we've all had different experiences with them. The manner you, yourself, write to them when there's a problem has a lot to do with how things end up too, and that is sometimes why different people end up having different experiences. Satisfy yourself by emailing before you make an order. It's no big deal, a dealer with good customer service will be happy to answer. Find a few dealers where the premiums might not be the absolute lowest, yes, but are still at an acceptable level to you. Explain you would like to order X coin from them but are concerned about (whatever it is). And be honest about what it is, that wasn't met elsewhere. No better way to come to your own judgement by weighing up the tone of their response. Having said not to listen to others experience with dealers - i'll just give you one. Customer service at Aurinum.de are good when there is an issue. They also, one time, had no problem exchanging a 10oz bullion coin for me when i was disappointed with the condition. I'll point out this has just been my own experience, anyway. Their premiums are in the decent range too. Wherever you decide to go for your kilo (what one?) good luck with it.
  2. Scottsdales 1oz Bu Ghana leopard mix up

    Well, as you have asked for opinions i'll sure give mine, but you won't like it. First, that's a disgraceful mark-up. Based on nothing. Second, i am totally against this type of manipulative hype. The coin doesn't need it. It'll do quite well in the future all on its own without this sort of thing to damage its reputation. Third, i am also against marketing which claims coins to be errors without first having them confirmed by the industry. You may well be right about the different die size but to claim this coin as a mule without confirmation is irresponsible at this point. All in all, it is listings like this with hype and inflated prices from sellers which actually hurt the reputation of others. We all want our hobby to also be profitable but that way is just not right. You intend to trap some unsuspecting mug, and you might actually sell some but i won't be applauding it if you do. I get your enthusiasm for this coin, but no, no, no. This coin will certainly be a collectible item, and it doesn't need your "help" along the way. Certainly not this type.
  3. Scottsdales 1oz Bu Ghana leopard mix up

    @Gav Thanks for sharing some good stuff. That's an interesting one about the die size discrepancy you've noticed. Weird that could have happened. It's not as if either of the dies could have come from another issue past or present. Both dies being specifically made for this coin. All adds to it, for me. Let's hope for a hat trick of mistakes if someone can find one more. Was that your youtube video linked by someone earlier in the thread? As for Scottsdale telling you they have two programs running, and it's all part of the agenda, i said they would. I found some further clarification from the mint here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdFl__NlOpA
  4. Scottsdales 1oz Bu Ghana leopard mix up

    No problem, it was worth us both clarifying what we meant by semi-numi. The Perth 2oz antiqued dragon is a tasty looking one alright. I recently went for the "Gargoyles & Grotesques". Couldn't decide between antique or proof so got one of each. Not often a proof is limited to 200 mintage. I liked that. I was very tempted in my last post to get stuck in on the Ares one you mentioned, by the way, and the dealer driven hype. But it's better not to go there..... in fact just deleted a whole paragraph here
  5. Unicorn of Scotland, send it back?

    I have the silver unicorn 1oz proof on pre-order from a dealer, but no invoice got yet. I'm having serious doubts about going ahead now. It's not that i should be surprised to see some of those pictures. Buying RM proofs is a gamble for a number of years now. The one and only time i played the RM version of russian roulette with the 5oz versions was with the 2014 5oz britannia. Got lucky then, unlike some. I still, every 6-12 months, root it out to see if any spots have developed. Has anyone here bought any of their 5oz's recently? Interested to hear if these still suffer similar quality problems, or are they at least getting these right. When i got the 1oz proof lion and went over the entire thing with a loupe i was actually surprised it was perfect. Imagine that - a proof coin these days without any problems! Luxury. Hmm but what to do... keep going? It's a lengthy series to keep going through the anxiety. And i imagine it won't get much better when they catch up on the proofs and rush out the griffin and dragon.
  6. Scottsdales 1oz Bu Ghana leopard mix up

    Hi Jester - I'm in total agreement with you on the risks of the proof and collectible issues. Well put, and i couldn't agree more, in fact. Proofs and collectibles are, for the larger part, buy to personally enjoy. Not to invest. But you began by saying semi-numis are the greatest risk? Then changed the subject to the risks of collectible issues? Or do you mean you class the likes of the "Ares" as a semi-numi? For newcomers (and there is at least one who has been asking questions on this thread) trying to come to grips with the choices out there, if i'm confused by what you meant in your first line then he certainly would be. Semi-numi when i talk of it, are specifically one area - the bullion BU coin which lends itself to an increased level of numismatic interest through changing annual designs and/or lower mintages. As the vast majority of these are within a low-to-modest margin over silver spot price when launched it simply isn't true to say he would lose his shirt, or conversely rolling in riches, just to be equally clear. But it is a very good, affordable way to start your journey of owning physical silver and at the same time have a finger or two in the collectors pie, which, apart from being way more fascinating than generic bullion, often (not just rarely) goes on to prove itself. As of now, for example, the 1oz 5 cedi leopard is €19.80, with spot price being €13.64. Even this margin over spot is touching on the high end by comparison to other semi-numi. Initial margins above spot are historically even lower than that on some of the more household ones like kooks & koalas etc.
  7. Scottsdales 1oz Bu Ghana leopard mix up

    @Rhyseyson no such thing as a stupid question when starting off in this great hobby. Yes don't worry, it's just the lighting angle. @daz & @metallica73 fair points, and appreciate what you are saying. I see a little better where you are coming from, too. I have to say though, the prices in £STG you guys mention from time to time, is a real shocker. One of my pet hates is the silverline range. I don't regard them as semi-numi investment pieces. Don't get me wrong, i liked a lot of the designs and the quality was there but MCI heap so much premium on top it doesn't make them viable. They add anywhere up to approx 100 -150% on top of the spot price. In effect from launch they are gobbling up for themselves the potential future gains that a good regular priced semi numi coin might expect to get in the long run. When i say regular priced, i mean in the 33 - 50 % cost above spot. That leaves plenty of scope for growth. I will sometimes for good reason go slightly above that, like the silver swan. Got them at about 75% over spot, and was glad to pay it in that case. MCI thought to themselves 'why can't we just capitalize right now premium-wise for the semi-numi market' rather than price lower and let buyers make the gains later on. They missed the whole point though. Price too high at launch and buyers lose interest. Price your semi numi bullion right at launch, and you create the interest which feeds into the later issues in the series. Silverline products find themselves in an odd position price-wise at launch. Halfway between bullion and proof. It's not a good formula. You alienate chunks of buyers. Your bullion buyers won't bite for obvious reasons, and you can claim "proof like" all you want to justify the price but proof buyers hesitate because they are still BU, with none of the bells and whistles like presentation and coa's. And this proof-like claim that gets thrown around as if it's unique.... really, with the advances in getting quality striking now, finding proof like condition in many bullion ranges is more and more common. If some of the mints could only wash the dam things a bit better before baking in the future milk spots. (oh spotting is not such a common issue with Scottsdale bullion coins either, which is why i like them so much more!) By the way, Scottsdale may not be as well known in Europe but they are an excellent and well regarded mint in the States. Which is a big plus. And they are expanding their offerings of new and interesting bullion in recent years. Have you seen one of their recent Cayman Islands Marlin bullion coins in hand, by the way? Bullion coin of the year in my opinion, i couldn't believe it. okeydokey, i'm done So much for my pledge not to try convince, right? I can't help my own enthusiasm for the hobby, at times!
  8. Scottsdales 1oz Bu Ghana leopard mix up

    Again - not an error. Yes, conflicting prices are to be expected for now. Some sellers often don't know their asses from their elbows when something unexpected comes along. Usually, they have the price ranges of typical new issues set for them in advance, but when something is thrown at them out of the blue, their first reaction is to play it safe by being greedy. Never mind the fact they were more than happy to sell the same ones for the normal mark up the week before. Common sense has kicked in now and they are pitching it just right, in my opinion, at €4 above the other.... for now. For a brand new, current item that is unusual yes but not an error. At least until they are all eventually gone, and the secondary market takes over. I feel i should say that i assumed there were more collectors of this area, on this forum. I get the impression now there are more stackers. The collectors know you get your return in 2/3/4 years in the collector market, and it has surprisingly very little to do with where silver spot price will be. The importance of silver spot price becomes less and less relevant with collector bullion as time passes. Where stackers are all about spot price and % premiums. The reason i started this thread was to alert the collectors of a gilt edged opportunity to get the "100" version for a limited time in the launch period, and at the added bonus of still being priced at the 50,000 version from a few places. You say you're yet to be convinced. Of what i'm not sure and i don't really need to know. Honest! So i must apologise to you and others who have expressed the same doubts. Because this was not meant to be about convincing anyone of anything. You either recognised it for what it is or you don't. I'm not trying to make anyone go buy anything. I'll admit i got dragged into explaining its merits, and i shouldn't have.
  9. Scottsdales 1oz Bu Ghana leopard mix up

    It's important to know and make the distinction it's not a coin error. The physical coin doesn't feature a minting error, like for example if they had spelt and minted Ghana wrong. It is an error by the mint themselves in the denomination of the coin. It was too high. And we can guess it might even have been a problem with the license terms granted by the Ghanaian government, who knows? So this was an administration decision to withdraw the full mintage of that denomination. The very act of doing that creates a variation of this bullion coin (because they are re-issuing in full with a small denomination). Which is where the interest in it comes in. If they had left the whole 50,000 original run alone, and not done anything, there would be no story here. Apart from a footnote noticing the face value is greater than than the silver content. Graders could never assign a label that indicates anything unusual about the coin itself. Likely it will just be labelled the 100 Cedis Ghana Leopard.
  10. Scottsdales 1oz Bu Ghana leopard mix up

    It's not at all surprising some sellers are still unaware, or have failed to update their sites with the right info. They are not collectors. Collectors are more inclined to hunt down the clues behind something unusual they see on the market, and assemble the picture for themselves. Dealers are running businesses, and as such usually only react when they are spoon fed the information officially by the mint or the main distributor who supplied them. And that takes time. Especially if you always remember one thing - mints never like to publicize their little booboos. It's embarrassing for them, understandably they have pride to consider. In time, all dealers will be told about the status of this new first version, to change their listing descriptions and hang on while we mint the 50,000 new ones. This first release of the leopard, when the next re-release of the revised 50,000 happens soon, will never be called an error, by the way. Technically we will all know it was but the mint will make a distinction. And nobody will blame them. The first attempted release (now capped at 5,000) will become known as a limited edition, prior to the official first coin of the series - the 5 cedi with full 50,000 mintage. A limited edition sounds so much better, more orderly. Intentional, even!!! And the mint save some face. Which is fine with everyone, really. Mints are sometimes like the schoolkid who does something stupid in front of his friends and then obstinately insists that's what he meant to do anyway. The Bavaria State mint had a similar thing when they minted some of the 2010 dated elephant but used the die of the previous 2009 elephant design on the opposite side. They declared a mintage of 30,000 in that case as a limited edition. Like the whole thing was a fun little variation they had intended to do from the start. Incidentally these continue to fetch a nice premium above the regular 2010, all these years later. Worth mentioning that in answer to "why would anyone care years from now about it". Bullion in particular semi-numismatic collector bullion has an indefinite shelf life appeal, unlike the proof market which fades quickly as years pass. If a mint gets on top of a "mistake" early enough they can control the flow of information, and make an instant decision on how many can they realistically not expect to retrieve, and then cap the mintage of this unusual issue at a nice round number. From there, it's a simple case of controlling the language when speaking of it. There will be no talk of errors or mistakes. Limited edition.... a precursor to celebrate the launch of the mass minted one, etc. etc. No harm done, and we numismatic bullion collectors have a nice little variation to add to the collection.
  11. Scottsdales 1oz Bu Ghana leopard mix up

    That made me smile, especially with a picture of the orange-headed one But yes, maybe this area isn't your thing. Believe me, in terms of bullion issues it is a rarity. Not just in terms of number but the quiet re-call of what they could, and re-issue of the entire run. It's golden for semi-numi bullion collectors.
  12. An interesting one here for those with an eye for oddities. Scottsdale mint about a month ago announced the first release of their next bullion coin series - the 1oz Ghana leopard. A nicely designed bullion coin as usual from Scottsdale, and the usual attractive 50,000 mintage. It had a face value denomination of 100 Cedis, which is actually £17.50. Bullion should not ever have a face value (no matter your views on obscure currencies) greater than the value of the silver. Turns out, they have reversed the decision to issue 50,000 and instead allowing just 5,000 to remain in circulation. Likely, the impossibility of getting back the complete numbers that left the mint already, and especially those sold on privately, led to that decision. They are now re-minting the 50,000 with a new face value of 5 Cedis. You don't need me to go on in detail about what a rarity this is, and how the original 5,000 will fare in future. Get them while you can, before word fully gets out. There are still a few sellers on ebay as of earlier this morning who haven't heard. Also, Apmex are currently selling off a small quantity but leaving them priced reasonably. Good on them for not doubling it straight away, which other dealers will be!
  13. This new run, and the last £100 for £100 run, all of course based on the original set of Portraits of Britain 4 coin proofs from 2014, images below. Buck palace is my personal favourite. Picked up a couple of the Big Ben 1oz bullion to test the waters with quality and have to say they are better than i expected. Will be watching for any milk stains developing.... odds are high based on past stuff, but sometimes you get lucky. Overall, looking forward to the complete set of 1oz bullion versions. Nice companion pieces to the proofs.
  14. Where to buy The Unicorn of Scotland?

    What a tease. Don't just tell us, pictures! pictures! close-ups, angles!
  15. New Stacker

    Hello and welcome. The site you mentioned are absolutely fine. Starting off, you won't go wrong with any of the following few selections either... all well established, extensive choice, and you won't be hit with VAT* while in the EU. Shipping varies from lower to higher so weigh that up too; https://www.emk.com/en-us/silver/bullion/ http://goldsilver.be/en/146-coins https://www.silver-to-go.com/en/silver-coins/?per_page=192&page=1 http://aurinum.de/Startseite-1 * edit; sorry, i should have said you won't get hit with any additional VAT surprises when the delivery enters yours country. The price you see is the price it will cost, only.